They have taken it to the next level …

Yesterday December 12th at 3:30 PM as I went out on my hopefully
quick trajectory which end point was my evening classes: going to the
bank, to the postal office, to recycle the compostable/biodegradable
stuff and plastic bags and, finally, work; I was physically attacked
by perps.

As I walked out, as usual, they were not only “waiting” for me: they
are notified about when I am going out for them to go out to do “their
part time job”), but, also, “fielding” me: right when I walk out of my
well-monitored building (in addition to that, quite literally, my
every move inside of my apartment is being monitored) they look at
their cell phones and then glanced in the direction they know I will
be coming. I have noticed after more than two decades that all those
gangs of people (almost, but not only, brainless men), superintendents
and porters of buildings, store owners, … and the occasional
bystander are told to “watch” me through an alert on their cell
phones. Even while raining heavily or under a gelid winter night they
go out exactly as I am walking by. They can’t be standing under a
heavy rain or enduring a winter night outdoors just for the fun of it.
They all go about their cell phone procedures and then walk away after
you are some distance away.

The crucial question in a court of law would be: how could those
gangs of people (at times more than 10) just be waiting for “you”.
Don’t these people have jobs, responsibilities, anything better to
do?!? We know what the answer to that question is and the many aspects
relating to it, but then they turn it into a “you ‘disrespectfully’
bumped onto them and didn’t apologize”.

Lately, they had been more active, yelling at me the usual bs and
having new lines like “they will stand to fight (se te van a
encuadrar)”. Yesterday, they went again about their performance of
standing in front of you as you are walking by. They pretend they
didn’t see you, but of course they do. When I used to drive around
with girlfriend they would do the same thing with cars. They (mostly
police cars) would cut in front of you at a short distance. What I do
when they do that is a “chafe” them and keep walking as every New
Yorker does. The guy started yelling at me all kinds of bs while I
kept walking my way. Then something “new” happened, he threw a sealed
plastic bottled (not really at, but) around me (after I thought about
it I realized they had planned the set up. None of it “happened”). I
just looked back and, amazed, smiled while they started to yell louder
and walk towards me. Then, in anger, as they approached me, I took the
bottle and threw it back at (past) him. That happened right on the
middle of the street on the Western corner of 70 Post Avenue and
204th, half a block from my place. Cars started to hunk loudly and
there were a bunch of people, including four other younger males,
which seemed to have been marching on lock stepped towards me.
Suddenly I saw myself surrounded by 6 individuals and while I tried to
check those in the back (I thought) the two individuals in the front
(the one who threw the bottle I know well the other I don’t remember
having ever seen) quickly hit, kicked me, as I stepped backwards to
protect myself from what I believe to be an attack from the back and
fell. It was like 5 seconds and they ran away triumphantly while the
cars that had been honking sped through in front of me. Chasing those
two individuals, would have been stupid (there are also laws against
chasing people after an action, taking the law into your hands). I
know I will run into them again. It was the most stupid fight (if it
could be called that) that I have ever had in my life. I looked back
at those walking away from me within rich, but they seemed to have
been just crossing the street. I ran into them again on another corner
and they didn’t seem to have been part of the plot, but you never
know.

eye after punch At the bank and at the postal office they told me I was bleeding
profusely. Asked me if I was OK (I was I was only feeling a
superficial itch). I am a teacher, so I can’t miss work just like
that. Also, for some totally unfounded reasons (probably not relating
to being a TI) my sciences classes were taken away from me. As TIs we
live trying to keep ourselves afloat, while they try to drive you into
homelessness. Right now I am living on a fiscal deficit of around
$1000 per month, which I will be able to sustain for two more months,
so I am hoping for my sciences classes to be given back to me, so I
can actually make some little money. So, I better behave at work.

I went quickly home in order to at least clean the wound and run to
work, but I realized it may have been more “serious” than it felt and
it was around a sensitive side (thank God, not the tearing one) part
of the eye, so I wondered if the sides were damaged. I tried to quickly
go to an emergency room before going to work in order to have at the
very least that eye cleaned and know for sure how bad the damage was,
when I saw a police car on Academy and Post (on the other side of my
block). They must have seen the two individuals running away. I asked
them if EMT was around … and they started asking me what had
happened and “why”, … “but why did they hit you?” Each time I tried
to explain to them about the TI business, that they are told and are
being paid by the government to harass you, that I don’t have any
business whatsoever with any of them (they assume you do), that I am
just a teacher; police would put faces, slightly roll their eyes and
cut me off trying to make a “police-proof” report, which they didn’t
take from me.

They told me they couldn’t just call EMT for me. That as part of it
they had to “report the incident”. They knew of that gang of idiots on
that other corner. They drove me there and to my amazement one of them
ran away, but the one that threw the bottle, starting the whole thing
was standing right there. The police handcuffed him after a brief
interrogation and patting and took him to the precinct. They also took
me telling me the EMT was at the precinct waiting for me and there I
could finish my report, that the other guy was being taken into
custody. After I washed the wounds and EMT put a bandage on it, I
chose to go to work arriving 3 minutes before the start of my class,
which went fine.

When I came back from work at around 9:30 PM, there were again the
10+ individuals fielding me (that time they didn’t stand in my way).
There was the one that had thrown the bottle at me and I am not 100%
positive about the other one (I don’t/can’t register people visually
or by their names, to me everybody kinds of looks the same). I walked
into the group who played stupid apparently expecting for me to
“emotionally” start another fight and stood right in front of that
guy. There were more new faces. One of them flanking him.

Then I went to the emergency clinic of Columbia Presbyterian where
after realizing that the eye was intact and that the wound was
superficial, they glued the wound together (with some proteic
substance) and a 2:30 hour stay they discharged me telling me I had to
go to the eye doctor for him to examine my eye later in the morning. I
just came back and eye doc told me after a more thorough check, which
included dilation, that my eyes were fine, that he is amazed to see a
58 year old person with 20-20 vision. That the right eye was just a
bit swollen, but he would not recommend any medication, because it
would get better by itself.
being taken care of by Dr. Phiel
I know, I know. The point is not that nothing really happen and I
don’t think that bs “broke me” at all. It was just a waste of time and
more reasons to hate them (as if I needed any more), but they have
started to actually attack me and they did that in gangs. This is
definitely different than people forcefully driving their elbow into
your chest and keeping walking as if nothing happened.

Since it was in my way, after coming out of the hospital, I paid a
visit to the 34th police precinct. Everybody there was half asleep.
The secretary was playing stupid, doing as little as possible, telling
me: “this is not how things work” (she meant, once they detain
someone, he remains here for about three days until his court day and
then the judge decides). She just gave me the complaint #:
2018-034-006638. I told her that the guy was right on the streets on
the same corner. The desk sergeant late at night was the one who had
actually taken the guy to the precinct after they arrested him and he
was amazed that they had let him go. He then stepped out of his high
chair to fill out the form himself and telling me to call the ACEB
(212) 335-9022 in a few days and tell them I wanted an “order of
protection” against the offender. What seems to be a high-ranking
police officer came into the precinct while I was there with some
individuals. One of them with a mocking smile on his face.
Coincidence? My protagonism? Why so many coincidences?

One of the very odd things I noticed about perps is that they act as
if they were tacitly having a conversation with you. I have nothing to
talk to such individuals. It is beyond me what makes them think that.
It is very clear to me and that incident should have made it very
clear to them. People tell me they don’t know, nor do they care to
know anything about you, that they go by their textbook procedures.

You have to put emotions away; plan commit your action in cold blood
exploiting d”your enemies’ ways”. The new thing in the hood is for
niggahs to carry blades. Once I kept a knife with me because someone
threatened me with a knife at the shelter where I volunteered. I
forgot I had it in my backpack, could not understand why did I have so
many police at close range. Now imagine that I forget that I have a
knife in my backpack while trying to enter a school! My DoE and state
clearance will be automatically voided.

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maybe, maybe, perhaps, perhaps, . . . we are all TIs

// __ My Father Says He’s a ‘Targeted Individual.’ Maybe We All Are, by Jean Guerrero (2018-10-25)

https://www.wired.com/story/my-father-says-hes-a-targeted-individual-maybe-we-all-are/
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I made a 9-page pdf file of that article sans web related advertising, javascript and any other kind of crap and with the visible links (I am amazed to notice some people use the New York Times as reputable source):

https://ipsoscustodes.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/maybe_maybe_perhaps_perpahs_we_are_all_tis00.pdf

$ ls -l maybe_maybe_perhaps_perpahs_we_are_all_tis00.pdf
-rw-r–r– 1 niggahme niggahme 3031125 Oct 28 16:43 maybe_maybe_perhaps_perpahs_we_are_all_tis00.pdf

$ md5sum -b maybe_maybe_perhaps_perpahs_we_are_all_tis00.pdf
e88fea382b9ab4c5bff87b28e9fbd8db *maybe_maybe_perhaps_perpahs_we_are_all_tis00.pdf

$ sha512sum -b maybe_maybe_perhaps_perpahs_we_are_all_tis00.pdf
b1d235e57cafdac649bef4a77e35d386368fced676981302ebe0ed77687814b564460aa0cb2f6153123d98c4a85bbcd784eca1711dc85a7a919b66d7ea6bf75c *maybe_maybe_perhaps_perpahs_we_are_all_tis00.pdf


People (those belonging to “the control group”, that is) keep talking about TI related matters. One of the big problems we have is that it is virtually impossible to make two TIs agree on virtually anything, another one is Adamization: which terms to use to talk about something that is not only socially unknown and sounds unbelievable, but most people out there do not want to know about, nor do they want to accept it “logically” or “morally” as many of them say, because “it taxes their minds”, even though they know well of a very long history of social control abuses by USG and their acolytes in business, IT technologies and academia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plutonium_Files
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Prestitudes can’t help but project their own protagonism and biases into the already complicated TI narratives. I keep telling TIs to totally forget about prestitudes. When silly me read the title of that article I got hopeful: “finally, someone writes about TIs in a somewhat faithful way”, but I quickly realized that I had totally misinterpreted the title: yes, Guerrero, we positively are all TIs on important counts but not because we are “homo fabulator”. Based on your father’s story (as narrated by yourself) he seems to be a TI, but there are many other stories out there. Yes, there are TIs who say such things as: the government can “read their mind”, “see through their own eyes”, “implant and edit dreams during their sleep, …” and, no, many of those folks are not teenage kids glued to their cell phones, but adults even smearing on your nose their PhDs; but it is not all like that. We TIs can produce an honest and comprehensive narrative which society at large should listen to, know about.

Something that I can’t quite understand is why is it so hard to see the truth for what it is. You see three different prestitudes (yeah, they come in different containers and even seem to smell differently): Sharon Weinberg, Laura Yan and Jean Guerrero, who even though the definition of what journalism is all about (as defined by Orwell himself: “publishing something that some powerful people don’t want to be known”) seems to be totally incomprehensible to them, could easily glimpse from a favorable angle the truth of such matters but they choose to advance their journalistic careers, it seems; project their own protagonism, biases and complexes into such matters.

There are people, like that Mona of TheIntercept’s fame (yes, that is her actual name) who boasts about a being business associate and like-minded friend of Pullizer Prize awardee Glenn Greenwald who take it as their very job to mock targeted individuals’s claims:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Targeted_Individuals

To her credit Sharon Weinberg (a former national security adviser)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011001399.html

seemed to have realized that she was wrong, had been mislead and then she had some incredibly strange “suicide”.

What makes this prestitude peculiar is that:
a) she is talking about her own father (whom she didn’t see for very long periods of time, decades?, so, she may have come back with her own biases to exploit her dad’s story),
b) she says she is a scientist/neurobiologist of sorts (even though she doesn’t write like one),
c) she is not outrightly discrediting and debasing the stories of TIs as Yan did using the New York Times as some sort of reference to the truth and even UN regulations as if they meant anything, really.


In a sense, like her, I tend to pay attention to the consequences of the societal adoption of techno sh!t and I also have some sort of philosophical way of seeing things, but not at all similar to Guerrero.

// __ the new normal?, toward a “Psychocivilized” Society?, our “Brave New World”? …

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=330455
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// __ what is a police state? . . .

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=331320
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// __ Activist and Targeted Individual Camilo Lopez interview with Ella Free


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// __ Zersetzung made in U.S.A.

https://ipsoscustodes.wordpress.com/2015/05/27/zersetzung-made-in-u-s-a/
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// __ Hubertus Knabe: The dark secrets of a surveillance state


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> I was 11 when my father destroyed the condominium where he was living. Searching for hidden transistors or other devices that might be beaming voices into his skull, he took a hammer to the walls, shoved his fists into the holes, and pulled off chunks of plaster. He shut off the power generator and cut the electrical wires in the walls. He put his ear to the floor. He ripped up the carpet. He called 9-1-1.

> But then he fell into a depression. My parents separated. He started smoking crack cocaine. After tearing his place apart, he vanished on a years-long, cross-border quest to escape alleged CIA persecutors.

Here Jean Guerrero (JG) writes about the visual elements, movie-like aspects of those incidents. Clinical, more comprehensive narratives would have been more useful. What were those “voices” telling him, why not relating the whole account from his perspective?

Her father was an “uncanny mechanic”, she says, but what amazes me is that he could not see they were just messing with him. They do very specific things in very specific ways for you to realize it is just not “in your mind”, in kind of an abusive domination game kind of way.

If what he was looking for was loud speakers of sorts he was not going to find them because they disguise common house objects for such matters and they may be targeting you through your neighbors ceilings, walls and floors without them having a clue. Anything which can be used to create transmit vibrations, -anything-, can be use to mimic sounds and “voices”.

> Our mother, a physician specializing in internal medicine, offered a psychiatric diagnosis. Your father, she said, has paranoid schizophrenia.

Another person and family ruined. Again she is offering a conclusion that serves as thematic chain in JG’s story. No clinical explanation as to what her mother thinks made her husband (about whom she may have known more than two things) became a schizo from one day to the next.

> In college, I minored in neuroscience while majoring in journalism, searching for my absent father in fMRI brain scans and the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.

Which shows in her writing and mindset, but at least she should be able to see how the government uses the DSM to frame their harassment in ways which make our reactions seem “paranoid schizophrenic”.

> So-called TIs have begun banding together …

We did not “band together”. We held an open conference as it should be. We knew that they would try to sabotage and talk sh!t about us again.

https://ipsoscustodes.wordpress.com/2018/03/09/unity-et-hope-et-laura-yan/

> MKUltra (https://www.history.com/topics/us-government/history-of-mk-ultra) a real CIA mind-control program that ran from 1953 to 1973 that targeted drug addicts, prisoners, and other vulnerable people …

Actually, here JG is deliberately lying:

1) MKUltra was never phased out (and she should, must know better than this), and

2) they did target way more than “vulnerable people” (whatever she meant by “vulnerable”)

As Ted Kennedy pointed out on the Senate floor in 1977: … [the] “extensive testing and experimentation” program which included covert drug tests on unwitting citizens “at all social levels, high and low, native Americans and foreign.” Several of these tests involved the administration of LSD to “unwitting subjects in social situations.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra#Revelation

so, vulnerability didn’t seem to be an issue for them. I would say it was more lack of basic humanity by those kinds of @ssh0l3s

> … Then a more likely hypothesis occurred to me. My online activity—using search terms like “V2K” and “government harassment”—had probably caused computer algorithms to place me in a category of people with paranoia, which is often accompanied by depression, leading advertisers to target me.

Welcome to the “new normal”, “brave new world” we are living in. Such individuals as creator of the way Tim Berners-Lee and world renowned security consultant Bruce Schneier were “shocked” to realize (their own way of puting it), as they said, that IT companies have actually created the conditions for the panopticon we live in nowadays and that “Internet of things” thing will make things even worse by creating the ultimate global panopticon in which privacy “will become” entirely meaningless …

// __ The Internet of Things: Dr. John Barrett at TEDxCIT


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> The hypothesis started to broaden: In our digital economy, covert players are constantly harvesting our data and churning out exquisitely tuned consumer profiles to tap into our dreams and desires. We are being surveilled. We are being controlled and manipulated.

Yes, yes, yes.

> We are perhaps being tortured. But it’s not the CIA or aliens perpetrating all this. We are doing it to ourselves.

No, not perhaps, no they are not aliens and no we are not doing that to ourselves. Again when they target you they do very specific things to you for you to realize it is not random. Of course, it is governments behind all of that: who else could horizontally and vertically coordinate across so many public and private institutions, federate all public and private street cameras, “legally” protect perps, include “laws” (or not) “legalizing” such criminal behavior and “remunerate” those individuals doing that? …

> A thought occurred to me: Could the stories of “targeted individuals” be a warning, a cautionary tale … He may be seeing through to the nuts and bolts of the web, weaving a story out of its danger and turning it into a terrifying delusion of persecution, suffering, and torment.

Here JG seems to be trying to turn those matters into a safe theme for writing. She seems to have the ways to research those matters to their very bottom, but she tries hard to work those matters into a “cautionary tale” herself and at the same time proposing the silly equalizing hypothesis that “we are all TIs since we are homo fabulator”, for which (as I see it) she totally misconstrued, sabotaged Harari’s theme.

> Stay with me here; the idea that madness might contain insights about overlooked realities is not new …

No, it isn’t. What is new, and JG as a neurobiologist should have noticed, is the accounts of people considered to be mad. People who hear seemingly endogenously created voices by their minds have always heard kinds of intrusive, offensive, repetitive, brief murmurings. What TIs have been talking about are very clear voices with grammatical, semantic depth as well as natural prosody trying to engage you conversationally even with a friendly tone (created through AI and by computers) telling them that they forgot their car keys and exactly where they left them (they do this by thoroughly patterning your daily behavior as if it were a text, which they correlate and from which they are able to notice abnormal actions). In order to make that kind of nonsense “effective” they/their computers passively watch you for a very long time before in order to virtually know everything there is to be known about you, basically creating an AI-based Doppelgänger with all the data you constantly produce, which then they train on you. Nowadays, they have so much information about everyone from birth that they can turn anyone into a TI at an instant.

With the help of all IT companies, the government is keeping a real time panopticon of society. Your way of saying it is not totally wrong, though. You may be targeting yourself by just living the way you do. They may be interested on certain individuals living in certain ways and being a bit off their social stratifications of behavior in peculiar ways to “norm” them or “research” on them or simply to take them as guinea pigs for the “R&D” of their social control police or medical companies. Once “you become” a TI in their eyes, they use you for various other purposes. You become a disposable “lab rat”.

Some TIs believe it is not governments doing that, but IT companies, businesses. I am 100% convinced with plenty of evidence that governments must be behind all of that and yes, once you become a police state, the police become the government.

> They explore hallucinations for metaphorical insights …

First, I have no way of knowing whom you are referring to as “they”, but TIs are not hearing or talking about “hallucinations” and mental illness is systemic. You can’t be a grandma who after retiring and never have had any symptoms yourself or in your family, and suddenly, from one day to the next, start “hearing voices” telling you exactly what your grandchildren have been doing at school (they do that because they need to engage you conversationally).

// __ Dr. Phil – today – woman hearing voices

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/woman-claims-she-started-hearing-070028013.html
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// __ HEAR VOICES? IT MAY BE AN AD

http://adage.com/article/news/hear-voices-ad/122491/
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http://www.explainthatstuff.com/directional-loudspeakers.html
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// __ ABC 10 News: San Diego mom thinks she’s the victim of “community stalking”


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// __ A new way to monitor vital signs (that can see through walls) | Dina Katabi


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> … indirect warning system experiencing a kind of collective dream—canaries in the digital coal mine

Again, what you believe to be the writer in you is taking the best of you. You are using too much metaphor and thematic elaboration for something that can be factually proven to be true.

> … “Pa, if I write your story, you’ll be immortal,” I said. He rolled his eyes and squeezed indignation into his forehead, saying he didn’t care about the perpetuity of his insignificant ego, but I could see the grin growing on his face against his will. My father was human, just like me, dying to live among the gods.

Gringos are so sickly protagonistic! and that doesn’t seem to help when you are a TI.

> Humans are story-making machines …

Well, yes and I am not sure if this is good or bad. The problem is that “humans” can literally believe absolutely anything. We are way more “story-accepting”, than “story-making” machines.

> We created the internet as a vast landscape where information could be free (https://www.wired.com/story/hackers-at-30-hackers-and-information-wants-to-be-free/). That was a delusion, of course, or at least a misapprehension.

Oh, yes!

> … “siren servers”—cloud computing networks that dominate the internet. Algorithms collect our data and crunch that into maps of our minds, which companies use to manipulate our decisions … “When you are wearing sensors on your body all the time, such as the GPS and camera on your smartphone and constantly piping data to a megacomputer owned by a corporation that is paid by ‘advertisers’ to subtly manipulate you … you gradually become less free” …

… down to a total, real time, self-indexing, Zeitgeistable panopticon in which the data of every single individual is correlated and being abused for social control, which is why they need TIs: as the guinea pigs of that kind of societally-wide monstrosity. The general population is just “the control group”.

> My father told me about the CIA agents who allegedly followed him at the turn of the millennium. The TIs collectively refer to this as “gang stalking,” the perception of groups tracking and harassing them.

Actually, this is not just a “perception”. Many TIs have recorded such actions live and many have brought them to the attention of the police who have told TIs that “they can’t do anything about it” (because they are part of it themselves). I know of one case of someone who successfully brought those kind of individuals to court and won his case.

// __ How to Deal with and Defeat Gang Stalkers, by Chomi Prag

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By the way, there is plenty of “prior art” regarding such kinds of social harassment. It was not invented by gringos. Dominicans (quite literally “God’s hounds” (“Domini-cans” (order founded by “Dominic” of Caleruega))) serving as beat and politicial police of the Catholic Church were doing it on a social scale, as did the East German stasi even though they used it to a lesser extent from a technological point of view. Gringos just held a candle to them and, greatly helped by technology, have become their “innovative”, eager students.

> As my father traveled across continents, he says he was trailed by “gringos” in suits and black SUVs with American plates.

Not only your father, many TIs will relate to you the exact same stories. In my particular case when I visited Nicaragua, China (countries you would not expect to be licking gringos’ ass (they just do it “for the money”)) and Germany where I went to school and where the BND took all former stasi members under their wing and as I, to my amusement, noticed my old Kommilitonen from stasi times were giving me sh!t nach der „Wiedervereinigung“.

> He describes an instance where the stalking became so unbearable that he drove to a Mexican jail and begged the officers to put him behind bars, where he thought he would be safe from the CIA. “I want you to arrest me!” he recalls saying. “All of them were trying to be real nice. ‘Why? Do you have drugs?’ I told them I had been doing drugs.”

> A targeted individual in San Diego explained to me that her stalkers often coordinate to mock her and make her feel she’s losing her mind. After she went through a difficult breakup, she noticed persecutors posing as couples, kissing and hugging in front of her to torment her. “You know when someone kisses and it’s natural,” she says, speaking on condition of anonymity because she feared for her life. “This wasn’t natural.”

Yes, for some reason. The psyche of some people is highly bothered by gang stalkers. I don’t give a sh!t about them even though I have found myself having philosophical arguments with such morally deafferented idiots (“get an effing job, man!”). As a teacher something that strikes me as amazing is that there are individuals out there who legally and biologically speaking are adults “responsibly” carrying around some 300 lbs in weight, but have the mind of a 6 year old. The idea of someone harassing someone else just because the government tells them, gives them shopping cards to be redeemed at Walmart or as they even openly prescribe on current day’s Germany’s tax code, you get a 10% discount of your taxes; is way beyond what I could understand.

> An early sign of schizophrenia is apophenia, the tendency to perceive connections among unrelated external phenomena …

There goes JG again not putting her scientific knowledge (if any) to good use. Let me explain to you, how it goes. Something kind of idiotically Pavlovian, mechanical about police in the U.S. is that they let you know almost instantly that you must be doing something great. Another one is “iterations”: they do different sorts of things trying to probe “your rats” as Orwell related it in his (on so many accounts amazing) “1984”.

You write just a poem inspired by gringos:

https://hsymbolicus.wordpress.com/category/poems/ (lies …)

and they brick your router. You post some comments telling people about what then Snowden told them years later and they start placing bed bugs not only in your apartment but also in the bed I used at a shelter -only the days I was using it- (yes, I know NYC is infected with bed bugs …). Then after I started openly talking about it and stopped using that bed at church and thoroughly cleaning my bed before lying down to sleep, reddish rashes started to show on my skin which seemed to be created by some sort of bacteria … (doctors who are my friends asked me in disbelief how was it that I was constantly getting such bacterial infections …) what is my apophenia case? (you may be asking yourself) Well, during those periods of a particular sustained attack (they tend to change their bs after a while) they would make groups of people scratch in front of me in theatrical, totally unnatural ways and when I would search my crush on the Internet (kpop Choi Soo Young) I would find all kinds of hits about skin diseases. I know, I know the “most logical” way to think yourself out of it is: “he must be making all of that up”

> More than 50 years ago, Carl Jung argued that the dreaming phase of sleep—now known as REM, for the rapid eye movement that characterizes it—serves our mental health by maintaining an equilibrium between the conscious and unconscious parts of our minds. “For the sake of mental stability … the unconscious and the onscious must be integrally connected and thus move on parallel lines,” he writes in Man And His Symbols. “If they are split apart or ‘dissociated,’ psychological disturbance follows.” Scientific evidence supports Jung’s idea that dreams give our minds a cohesiveness that can be fractured; REM sleep deprivation has been correlated (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-behind-dreaming/) with mental disorders.

One of Nazis’ favorite forms of torture, as well as USG’s is sleep deprivation. Something they have done to me pretty much every night is not letting me phase into REM, by creating noises and/or vibrations every second hour or so that awaken me.

> We can dismiss the targeted individual whose persecutors allegedly tormented her about a breakup. Or we can ask ourselves if her story reveals something we’ve ignored about ourselves: a social media dynamic in which we are actually being watched, in which our most intimate lives are exposed, in which we are sometimes mocked and taunted by remorseless strangers.

I don’t use cell phones. I don’t watch TV. I almost only access the Internet for work related matters. I am not on facebook, twitter or any of that sh!t … still they do it to me. In fact, I think one of the reasons why they target me might be exactly because, technologically speaking, I remain as kind of a runaway slave.

> Consider this example from my own life: After the Los Angeles Times … seeing his face on my news feed every time I opened Facebook felt invasive, almost nightmarish.

Now, imagine those kinds of “almost nightmarish invasions” happen to you constantly. This is the daily life of TIs. This is why, basically your dad quit life.

> The specificity of the ads, their omnipresence and relation to a very personal incident in my life felt like an assault on my process of deliberation—on the integrity of my free will. Like my father, I was experiencing a form of gang stalking. And it was real.

How are you so sure about your case being “real” and your father’s a “fabulation”?

> … psychologist Julian Jaynes argued that all early humans suffered from hallucinations because …

There goes JG again, now with a “because” … clause.

> as we surrender our minds to computer algorithms. What if our own freedom depends on our realizing that the voices of “targeted individuals” are our own collective unconscious?

More bsing thematic elaborations. Aren’t we TIs the ones hallucinating?

> My father fought the alleged mind-control experiments as if his humanity were at stake, collecting evidence, researching remedies, traveling far from home. Perhaps we can learn something from his resistance.

He should connect to other TIs. Most TIs find highly frustrating talking to control group kinds of people about TI related problems even if they are their spouses, family.

> This is the promise made by the digital realm: that if we surrender our minds to it, if we prize it above the people we love, we will be rewarded with a kind of immortality. In Silicon Valley, it is considered a certain future: We will soon be able to upload our minds to the internet and live forever in digital Edens. But the idea fails to consider that such an eternity would come at the cost of our free will. Would we still be human then?

Well, it all depends on which aspects of that “free will” functional illusion thing you mention can be entangled by quantum computing. Much of it is undergoing a parallel anti-metric demultiplexing through black holes relay stations in what seems to be the Pleiades in the constellation of Taurus all the way to the newly found constellations proving that big-bang theory nonsense was wrong after all.

> My journey into my father’s world led to strange and unexpected places, including the ruins of a Mexican ranch where his great-grandmother, a curandera, was said to have communed with spirits. The townspeople relied on her for plant remedies and prophetic wisdom. People traveled from far away to see La Adivina, the Diviner. I contemplate the parallels between La Adivina and my father and the differences in the stories our societies weaved: One heard the voices of the dead and was thought to have a gift, while another suffered hallucinations and was considered ill. To what extent had those stories influenced their outcomes?

Well, actually that family relation your dad has to a curandera explains things nicely. It seems, right? By the way, she was a CIA agent posing as a curandera.

> He claimed the CIA rarely sent voices into his head anymore

They harassed me with V2K briefly but they, apparently noticing I was crassly unimpressed, stopped. They tend to stop faster if they notice you are not talking, reacting back to that sh!t. This is what they need to test their AI. Was your dad talking, reacting back to what the voices were saying in any way? It seems to be the case since he was escaping from something as you describe it and he was tearing apart the apartment where he lived.

> I visited my father and asked him about the voices he used to hear. He described them: male and female CIA agents, commenting on his actions, insulting him, taunting him.

Bingo! We have something clinical now for JG to research as a “neuroscientist” she says she is. Many TIs can’t understand that by keeping a thorough account of your bodily positions on a daily basis and a 3D map of your environment, which is something anyone can do with cheap, but very powerful sensors, they can very cheaply sell people the illusion that “they are reading their mind” (as many TIs say)

> I looked into the real-world CIA mind control experiments my father had mentioned: MKUltra. The program involved slipping LSD to more than 10,000 unwitting civilians, among other things, to see if they could manipulate people’s behavior. It was exposed by a New York Times article (https://www.nytimes.com/1974/12/22/archives/huge-cia-operation-reported-in-u-s-against-antiwar-forces-other.html) in 1974. After MKUltra was investigated by the Senate’s Church committee and the Rockefeller commission, then-President Gerald Ford signed an executive order in 1976, prohibiting “experimentation with drugs on human subjects” without their consent. But the order was revised by subsequent administrations, and the CIA’s internal guidelines (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/15/cia-torture-human-experimentation-doctors) later gave the agency director the discretion to “approve, modify, or disapprove all proposals pertaining to human subject research.”

Which basically means that MKUltra was never phased out. Why not saying it?

> TIs believe MKUltra was replaced with a more sophisticated CIA program using electromagnetic or radio wave technologies. My father said the CIA chose to experiment on him because as a crack addict, because nobody would believe him if he spoke up.

Actually, there were already electromagnetic or radio wave technologies in those times, which was one of the crucial aspects that motivated MK Ultra. You should read up a bit on José Delgado’s bull experiments and Pavlov research on dogs. Yes, they tend to pick people of the fringes of society for those kinds of reasons.

> Unconvinced, I filed Freedom of Information Act requests for any records about my father to the CIA, the FBI, and more, including a signed certification of identity from my father with authorization to release the information to me. While most agencies said they had no such records, the CIA said it could neither confirm nor deny their existence, citing a national security exemption. I appealed. Same response. For people prone to conspiracy theories, this may serve as proof that the CIA does have records on my father. For me, it confirms only the CIA’s penchant for secrecy.

Again, why is it you tend to be more accepting of “the agency director” and their “penchant for secrecy”?

> Russian interference in the 2016 election is yet another example of the far-reaching power of AI-based messaging, affecting not only our consumer choices but also the integrity of our democracy …

The thing is that at some point you start believing your own lies including your own delusions about “our democracy” this is when things start getting interesting.

> … Facebook had become a vehicle for “fake news, foreign interference in elections, and hate speech.” … she [Zeynep Tufekci] explained that after she viewed Trump rally videos for research purposes, YouTube autoplayed “white supremacist rants, Holocaust denials, and other disturbing content.”

Well, that has been going on for a very long time and it is more “disturbing” than that. It has happened to me many times that I am searching the Internet to find something that I know it is true, but I can’t find it. Imagine Zeynep Tufekci can’t find what she needs for her research because some powers that be don’t like her line of research. Now, imagine all of that happens for the most part through AI.

> Some have attributed the rise of TI theories to the fact that anyone who feels a strange buzzing in their body and Googles “electronic harassment” can end up in contact with other targeted individuals, and as a result of conversations with them, come to the conclusion that they themselves are targeted. Misapprehension spreads like a virus.

Attributing the TI business to human stupidity doesn’t explain it out. Also, what are you suggesting? To help people by not letting them talk to one another?

> What we fail to recognize when we dismiss targeted individuals is that the web is having the same impact on us. The plague of alternative facts spreads through the arteries of social media like a drug. A study published in Science (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/359/6380/1146) this year found that fake news spreads “farther, faster, deeper, and more broadly than the truth in all categories of information.” Our susceptibility to fake news is related to confirmation bias (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/science-choice/201504/what-is-confirmation-bias) and the illusion of explanatory depth (https://www.edge.org/response-detail/27117), the belief that we understand things better than we do.

How does that relate to TIs? Are we the ones also responsible for creating a lies-based society?

> Our storytelling capacity emerges from the wellspring of silence. Perhaps the targeted individuals are pointing to the noise we have stopped hearing. One way to destroy an echo chamber is to search for the voices in the walls—the way my father did.

JG again makes preposterous associations as a way to explain out her own father’s.

> America, with its fetishization of logic and data, has one of the world’s highest rates (https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-09-14/the-10-most-depressed-countries) of mental illness, according to the World Health Organization.

It also has the highest incarceration rates. Gringos spend (1/4) of their waking time watching TV (those statistics being from the times before they had cell phones), believe to be “the ‘free’ and ‘the’ ‘brave’ …” when all they have ever done with their worldsonlysuperpowerness is abuse people who can’t defend themselves on an equal basis, have “freedom-lovingly” greatly exceeded the genocidal ratio of Nazy Germany during WWII, …

> What exactly can we learn from the stories of TIs? First, there is symbolism in the villain some selected: the Central Intelligence Agency. Their fixation on the CIA may highlight the pernicious effect of covert data collection. The name of the agency is the clue.

You can learn from TIs about way more than “symbolism” and “clues”.

> In his second book Homo Deus, Harari argues that Homo sapiens will soon see the emergence of a new species as a result of centralized intelligence gathering: god-man. Revolutions in computer science and biology, and specifically neuroscience, will allow us to master and replicate the sapiens code. But it’s not that we’re all going to have access to immortality. A tiny elite could end up controlling our bodies and minds.

and Harari is telling and making you eat bs which you apparently can’t notice. Have you heard of the mind-body link? Based on your minor subject of studies, you should have. So, Harari shouldn’t be that impressive to you.

> Harari believes that our clicks and likes are paving a path toward dictatorship.

are paving? I wonder if Harari wrote that book during the 1970s

> If we wish to reverse course, we must decentralize the digital economy and regulate the ownership of data, taking it out of the hands of a few tech companies that now control it. It will be difficult.

OK, the question is how would that be possible if “they could neither confirm nor deny their data existence”, which you seemed to be OK with.

> Unlike property, data is intangible and hard to delineate. But our species is made to accomplish miracles of reorganization. All it takes is a new story. Perhaps this is a starting point: The targeted individuals are living the nightmare of what could happen. We must awaken.

Now there is a hopeful, Hollywood-end message to the story line.

> As a child in northern Mexico, my father often had a hard time sleeping. He lay hiding under the blankets, heartbeat like a freight train on old tracks as his stepfather roared at his mother … my father was tormented by nightmares.

and there comes some explanatory psycho babble. As a child my mother used to spank me. Most of the spanking I did very much deserve. I didn’t become a serial killer, nor would I raise my hand in any way against a child, engage in any kind of abuse and I do respect women very much after having been raised by my single mother.

> In a Scientific American Mind article (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-live-with-voice-hearing/), Intervoice board member Eleanor Longden recalled that the voices in her head stopped sounding sinister once she realized that each was related to parts of herself that “carried overwhelming emotions that I had never had an opportunity to process and resolve—memories of sexual trauma and abuse, of shame, anger, loss, and low self-worth.”

What I do with my “voices” (of sorts, I call “my demons” and I have grown to learn the good in them) is expose, out them. I tell my friends that “I don’t want for them to know that I want and will drink a cup of wine someone left lying around” (they laughingly tell me: “but you just said to me what you didn’t want for me to know”) or I walk up to a lady and tell her: “I would like to kiss your belly, but if I tell you, you will call 911 and accuse me of ‘sexual harassment’ …” most people understand my odd jokes, some get angry, find me obnoxious, fastidious, start ignoring me. I have managed to keep my dear demons separate for the TI-related b#llsh!tting hell.

All you have to do is: “say, act out your truths as verses” (plantear con versos tus verdades)

// __ Silvio Rodriguez – Sueño con serpientes (“I dream of snakes”)

https://www.letras.com/silvio-rodriguez/184946/
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> My father believes the CIA subjected him to remotely induced electric shocks, filling him with lightning-bolt pain when he tried to smoke crack. He explained that a copper penny he placed on his forehead during one of the attacks flew off him as if zapped by a corporeal current. Whenever he touched a metal railing, the pain dissipated. Technology capable of inducing something like the TIs’ “electric shocks” does exist: The Active Denial System is a military weapon using millimeter wave radio frequency to zap people. California resident Donald Friedman repeatedly (https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1122537.html) sued (https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-dcd-1_06-cv-02125/pdf/USCOURTS-dcd-1_06-cv-02125-1.pdf) the government for allegedly harassing him with such weapons. One of his Freedom of Information Act requests resulted in the declassification of a 1998 US Army document (https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/files/Bioeffects_of_Selected_Non-Lethal_Weapons.pdf) that discusses a microwave technology capable of beaming sounds into heads from hundreds of meters away. With some refinement, the document states, the technology could induce “voices within one’s head (https://www.wired.com/2008/02/report-nonletha/).”

Thank you and, so, your father was not hallucinating after all? By the way, they are called Direct Energy Weapons (DEW) and it obviously seems to be the case that your father was being targeted with them.

> My father recently described the frustration of trying to convince a psychologist he wasn’t crazy: “There was a TV playing over there in the room, and I said ‘Do you hear that TV? Well, I hear it too. But that doesn’t mean I’m ‘hearing voices.’ There’s a technology in which they can make you remotely hear voices, and it has been documented. You can read about it.”

Psychologists and all those kinds of people “from the field” have always been part of the torturers.

// __ Age of Fear: Psychiatry’s Reign of Terror


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In fact, the field of psychology started with “the age of reason” as a social control kind of thing. During Nazism they were the naziest of them all. They don’t help TIs because they are in the business of making money out of and “advancing their professional careers” with them, torturing TIs and using them as their social control guinea pigs. APA (both the psychological and psychiatric one) is basically owned by the CIA. They were even trying to pass laws against their members being be part of the CIA, at the risk of losing their professional license. As of yet, I haven’t heard of a single case of anyone losing their license even though they keep even boasting about “helping” the CIA. USG is the second largest employer of those psycho “professionals” “from the field”. You would wonder if they use them for therapy themselves. No, they don’t. They use them for their vast social control programs for which they also abuse social animals.

https://theintercept.com/2018/05/17/inside-the-barbaric-u-s-industry-of-dog-experimentation/?comments=1#comments

The ultimate goal of those Pavlovian-Delgadian-Skinnerian “experiments” is social control of us humans for which they experiment with us/TIs on another phase.

> The fact that you can read about these technologies does not prove his theories.

You are a reader, right? You should read more about the banality of evil and learn a bit more about Murphy’s law. Also, after reading a bit about history tell me of a single time in which engineering technologies haven’t been corrupted and used by their rulers against “we the people”. BTW, there have been a few I will leave it to you to find out to see if you did your homework right.

> Facebook has conducted experiments on us that show how susceptible we are to mind control (https://www.wired.com/2014/06/everything-you-need-to-know-about-facebooks-manipulative-experiment/). In 2012, the company secretly tampered with the news feeds of nearly 700,000 people, manipulating the ratio of emotionally positive to emotionally negative posts, then monitoring the subsequent activity of those users. What they found is that emotions can be remotely controlled and are highly contagious on the platform. People who saw more unhappy posts showed more unhappy activity and vice versa. Many questioned the experiment’s legality and ethics, wondering if Facebook had triggered any suicides (https://twitter.com/laurenweinstein/status/483051171255312384). Facebook apologized for the way the experiments were conducted and promised to conduct them “differently” (http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-cto-mike-schroepfer-apologizes-for-facebook-experiment-2014-10) in the future, with enhanced review.

Yes, and MK-Ultra was disbanded, did you say?

> … is it really that crazy for thousands of people to believe the US is still illegally experimenting on people—especially after Edward Snowden’s leaks (https://www.wired.com/2014/08/edward-snowden/) showing NSA surveillance of the general population? Don’t their beliefs reveal something meaningful about our failure to acknowledge the extent of our wrongs and the reach of our technologies?

Again, you are tacitly turning the whole and huge TI issue into a plausibility of a belief kind of thing.

> We have become commodities manipulated by shadowy forces beyond our control: corporations, computer algorithms, campaigns.

As Snowden himself put it. To them we are merely tag animals.

> … How can we correct this? Legislative restrictions on the collection of personal data are the logical first step.

Did JG just say “legislative restrictions”? How could you have such a thing when “they could neither confirm nor deny their data existence” to begin with and we are living in times in which even the interpretations of laws have been “legally” made secret?

> … Lanier, the computer scientist, argues that we should demand payments for data that companies collect from us.

Oh, yeah! and we will live in a world of everlasting love thereafter …

> He envisions a world in which we are compensated for every profitable datum we provide, with payments proportionate to the profit they produce. He argues that such a world—in which we value the humans behind data as much as the data themselves—would lead to a new era of economic prosperity, equality, and freedom.

Actually, now I am confused about who are the schizos in the house? Does he really believe that to be possible?

I think there is a much easier, less time and mind consuming way to achieve this. Share with them the least amount of data you possibly can. Actively corrupt any data they have about you …

> The Electronic Frontier Foundation is …

part of the government. Period!

> “EFF’s international director” Danny “O’Brien” works with people who are actually targeted by repressive regimes for their journalism or activism.

which is just part of what they do.

> He says he sometimes get calls from people with mental illness who wrongly believe they’re being targeted. Many have an inquiring spirit that he finds instructive. “These people aren’t just sitting back and accepting what’s happening to them,” he adds. “They’re trying to understand.”

How does O’Brien (I can’t help but think of Orwell’s character) know they wrongly believe they’re being targeted from just a phone conversation?

> But O’Brien hypothesizes that for too many self-described TIs, affirming rather than escaping their victimization is the goal.

Because O’Brien (now sounding more like Orwell’s character) is pretending to not know that there isn’t such a thing as “escaping their victimization” for TIs.

We still can do a lot to protect ourselves, like, instead of ripping the walls and floors of our apartment, build a sound proof, Faraday cage and sleep in it inside of our own sleeping room which we can easily and quickly inspect, not using cell phones, playing out music as we speak on the phone … only through those simple measure, by not being a good, profitable guinea pig, they may stop harassing you. As they do when they experiment with animals, to them it is more important to monitor your reactions, feedback than messing with you.

> They show a preference for false solutions, such as aluminum foil hats, because their belief that they’re being targeted serves to distract them from real traumas they don’t want to face. “Paranoia is strange because it’s simultaneously comforting and disturbing,” he says. “It’s disturbing to think people are spying on you, but it’s also comforting to have an explanation for why your world sucks.”

Here JG goes back to making fun of TIs through “O’Brien”, but, hey!, as a prestitude she knows having a few lines from the mouth of “EFF’s international director” makes her story more “interesting”

> Fears of surveillance and manipulation in the world should motivate people to change it, according to O’Brien.

Yes, EFF’s international director. Any hints about how such changes should be sought for and implemented? Also, I am curious about the differences you have noticed in the complaints from around the world.

> Self-agency lies not in the TIs’ delusions of persecution nor in most people’s delusions of safety, but in recognizing that the two mirror each other. In both cases, a human story has gained authorship of human minds.

EFF’s international director, could you elaborate a bit more for us mere mortals to be able to understand you?

> He had been cycling in and out of depression and substance abuse all my life.

When they have done ego depletion kinds of experiments with animals something they have noticed is that they can’t stablize them back to normal.

> When he became depressed for the first time, his fruit shriveled into wrinkled black sacs. Flowers drooped on their stalks. The cacti rotted and turned a sickly brown. Our animals began to die as if in synchrony with Papi’s slumber. We buried pet after pet.

Well, right there you could see very clear signs of excesses of radiation abuse.

> My mother bought a blue-green iMac G3 in 1999. I began to write every day. As I typed every detail of my banal existence into the computer, I felt I was immortalizing myself, protecting a part of my mind from the nothingness that devoured so many things I loved. It eased my existential anxieties.

Pure, unadulterated gringo protagonism! There are those things called pencil, paper and mind which people seem to have totally forgotten about.

> Sometimes, groups with divergent beliefs detect what we refuse to see. Targeted individuals like my father remind us of what we really are: not Homo sapiens, but Homo fabulator. Our fate is shaped by the stories we tell. Now they are growing so strong they may supplant us.

Again, we TIs have definitely more than “beliefs”. I hope, if you still have feelings for him, you will not get too depressed the day you discover (if you can) that your dad was not wrong for the most part after all and that he was indeed targeted, being used as the subject of most probably fatal radiation experimentation, that he was being continuously tormented by the government, that this constant torture is what broke him, ruined his seemingly stable, well-grounded personal and family life.

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worlds apart as seen by Alexander Solzhenitsyn

h3>// __ A World Split Apart: speech delivered at Harvard University on June 8th, 1978

https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/alexandersolzhenitsynharvard.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuVG8SnxxCM

The Western world has lost its civil courage ..

They haven’t lost anything really, nor have they been deprived of it by anyone else. They actually worked hard at sabotaging it at any corner and destroying it wherever they found it

And decline in courage is ironically emphasized by occasional explosions of anger and inflexibility on the part of the same bureaucrats when dealing with weak governments and with countries not supported by anyone, or with currents which cannot offer any resistance. But they get tongue-tied and paralyzed when they deal with powerful governments and threatening forces, with aggressors and international terrorists

Those kinds of quite schizophrenic double standards are the most defining characteristics of gringos. They wholeheartedly consider themselves to be “‘the’ ‘brave'” when all they have ever done is abusing people who can’t defend themselves on an equal basis

Even biology knows that habitual, extreme safety and well-being are not advantageous for a living organism. Today, well-being in the life of Western society has begun to reveal its pernicious mask

Morality, spirituality have been replaced by buy this today and that other “better” one tomorrow. We know the larger the screen of the TV we use, the closer we are to God’s words

I have spent all my life under a Communist regime and I will tell you that a society without any objective legal scale is a terrible one indeed. But a society with no other scale than the legal one is not quite worthy of man either

what is an “objective legal scale” and how would who would bring it about?

Whenever the tissue of life is woven of legalistic relations, there is an atmosphere of moral mediocrity, paralyzing man’s noblest impulses. And it will be simply impossible to stand through the trials of this threatening century with only the support of a legalistic structure

“legalistic relations” which are very selectively crafted, applied and enforced

It is feasible and easy everywhere to undermine administrative power and in fact it has been drastically weakened in all Western countries. The defense of individual rights has reached such extremes as to make society as a whole defenseless against certain individuals. It’s time, in the West — It is time, in the West, to defend not so much human rights as human obligations

But I think you could have noticed “human rights”, “democracy”, … are used by the West as some propagandistic b#llsh!t to mess with people

Destructive and irresponsible freedom has been granted boundless space. Society appears to have little defense against the abyss of human decadence, such as, for example, misuse of liberty for moral violence against young people, such as motion pictures full of pornography, crime, and horror. It is considered to be part of freedom and theoretically counterbalanced by the young people’s right not to look or not to accept. Life organized legalistically has thus shown its inability to defend itself against the corrosion of evil

the kind of movies and music people watch and listen to are not the cause of the problem, just a minor consequence

Legal frames, especially in the United States, are broad enough to encourage not only individual freedom but also certain individual crimes. The culprit can go unpunished or obtain undeserved leniency with the support of thousands of public defenders

What do you mean? Some niggah smashing a shoping window with a hammer is committing a crime, but corporations and the government when they steal public monies and invade countries based on well-known lies are OK?

When a government starts an earnest fight against terrorism, public opinion immediately accuses it of violating the terrorist’s civil rights. There are many such cases.

“an earnest fight against terrorism” should start by themselves

There is no true moral responsibility for deformation or disproportion. What sort of responsibility does a journalist or a newspaper have to his readers, or to his history — or to history? If they have misled public opinion or the government by inaccurate information or wrong conclusions, do we know of any cases of public recognition and rectification of such mistakes by the same journalist or the same newspaper? It hardly ever happens because it would damage sales

they have misled the government, you said? Tell us please about one single time in which that happened! and, yes, the business of the media is selling printed paper

How many hasty, immature, superficial, and misleading judgments are expressed every day, confusing readers, without any verification. The press — The press can both simulate public opinion and miseducate it

Yes! That is their job! People know that is why the chose Trump as their president instead of smiley media face or as some other ladies put it: the Royal B!tch as their president

… secret matters pertaining to one’s nation’s defense publicly revealed

How is that wrong exactly? What exactly is the point of “secrecy”?

… shameless intrusion on the privacy of well-known people under the slogan: “Everyone is entitled to know everything.” But this is a false slogan, characteristic of a false era

Are we talking about paparazzis here? Those issues are minor when it comes to that thing they used to call “privacy”, which was already a joke in the late 70’s. Also, those kinds of “celebrities” are constantly messing with people’s minds to the point of tormenting them with all kinds of complexes and anxieties, why not giving them some sh!t as well?

People also have the right not to know and it’s a much more valuable one. The right not to have their divine souls [stuffed with gossip, nonsense, vain talk.] A person who works and leads a meaningful life does not need this excessive burdening flow of information

When you talk about “the right people not to know” (why even waste time talking about it, this is thoroughly being taken care of already, anyway) you sound like one of those liberal idiots with their senseless parroting of distorted principles. We the people should actually have “‘the right’ to be told the truth” to make it a bit liberal sounding

Hastiness and superficiality are the psychic disease of the 20th century and more than anywhere else this disease is reflected in the press. Such as it is, however, the press has become the greatest power within the Western countries, more powerful than the legislative power, the executive, and the judiciary. And one would then like to ask: By what law has it been elected and to whom is it responsible?

but this is not a problem with the West or the East. It is anthropological. You can pretty much “persuade” anyone about absolutely anything

In the communist East a journalist is frankly appointed as a state official. But who has granted Western journalists their power, for how long a time, and with what prerogatives?

Exactly! Now, what exactly makes you think in the West they aren’t?

There is yet another surprise for someone coming from the East, where the press is rigorously unified

Isn’t it in the West?

One gradually discovers a common trend of preferences within the Western press as a whole. It is a fashion; there are generally accepted patterns of judgment … Enormous freedom exists for the press, but not for the readership because newspaper[s] mostly develop stress and emphasis to those opinions which do not too openly contradict their own and the general trend

In the West it is called “‘responsible’ journalism”

Legally your researchers are free, but they are conditioned by the fashion of the day. There is no open violence such as in the East; however, a selection dictated by fashion and the need to match mass standards frequently prevent independent-minded people giving their contribution to public life

Yes, “legally speaking” they are free

I have received letters in America from highly intelligent persons, maybe a teacher in a faraway small college who could do much for the renewal and salvation of his country, but his country cannot hear him because the media are not interested in him. This gives birth to strong mass prejudices, to blindness, which is most dangerous in our dynamic era. There is, for instance, a self-deluding interpretation of the contemporary world situation. It works as a sort of a petrified armor around people’s minds. Human voices from 17 countries of Eastern Europe and Eastern Asia cannot pierce it. It will only be broken by the pitiless crowbar of events

Well, now, in Internet times we don’t need the media anymore.

However, many people living in the West are dissatisfied with their own society. They despise it or accuse it of not being up to the level of maturity attained by mankind. A number of such critics turn to socialism, which is a false and dangerous current

Why such blanket statements, why accusing socialism as a false and dangerous current? Current day Germany, France, the British are socialist to some important extent

The well-known Soviet mathematician Shafarevich, a member of the Soviet Academy of Science, has written a brilliant book under the title Socialism; it is a profound analysis showing that socialism of any type and shade leads to a total destruction of the human spirit and to a leveling of mankind into death

But should someone ask me whether I would indicate the West such as it is today as a model to my country, frankly I would have to answer negatively. No, I could not recommend your society in its present state as an ideal for the transformation of ours

No person of people transform, develops taking other person, people as “inspirational model” even if they may be really good at mimicry

Through intense suffering our country has now achieved a spiritual development of such intensity that the Western system in its present state of spiritual exhaustion does not look attractive. Even those characteristics of your life which I have just mentioned are extremely saddening

A fact which cannot be disputed is the weakening of human beings in the West while in the East they are becoming firmer and stronger — 60 years for our people and 30 years for the people of Eastern Europe. During that time we have been through a spiritual training far in advance of Western experience. Life’s complexity and mortal weight have produced stronger, deeper, and more interesting characters than those generally [produced] by standardized Western well-being

You used the biological metaphor

the human soul longs for things higher, warmer, and purer than those offered by today’s mass living habits, introduced by the revolting invasion of publicity, by TV stupor, and by intolerable music

Again, it is not really about “the music” and since you have been talking quite a bit about Evil, my develish mind pictured you trying to dance reggaeton, Mr. Solzhenitsyn 😉

There are meaningful warnings which history gives a threatened or perishing society. Such are, for instance, the decadence of art, or a lack of great statesmen

but, of course, that would only happen to “unAmerican” idiots

But the fight for our planet, physical and spiritual, a fight of cosmic proportions, is not a vague matter of the future; it has already started. The forces of Evil have begun their offensive; you can feel their pressure, and yet your screens and publications are full of prescribed smiles and raised glasses. What is the joy about?

Very well known representatives of your society, such as George Kennan, say: We cannot apply moral criteria to politics

and how can you argue with him about that?!? What I tell gringos is to at least be consistent. If you love “freedom”, you would love freedom-for-everyone, but if “freedom” for you means b#llsh!t for other people, then … or, wait, so those other people are so so inferior, so “unAmerican” that they can’t understand “freedom” … so you have the responsibility to show it to them by bombing them? Such hard headed fellows!, but then why not applying the same principles consistently with people who can defend themselves on an equal basis?

members of the U.S. anti-war movement wound up being involved in the betrayal of Far Eastern nations, in a genocide and in the suffering today imposed on 30 million people there. Do those convinced pacifists hear the moans coming from there? Do they understand their responsibility today? Or do they prefer not to hear?

Problems have gotten so complicated nowadays that you don’t even know how to start to fix them, but they say “the truth will (always) set you free”

The American Intelligentsia lost its nerve …

Did they lose it? Well, at least they will be able to find, regain it, right?

Your shortsighted politicians who signed the hasty Vietnam capitulation seemingly gave America a carefree breathing pause; however, a hundredfold Vietnam now looms over you. That small Vietnam had been a warning and an occasion to mobilize the nation’s courage. But if a full-fledged America suffered a real defeat from a small communist half-country, how can the West hope to stand firm in the future?

Here you lost me totally Mr. Solzhenitsyn!

In World War II against Hitler, instead of winning that war with its own forces, which would certainly have been sufficient, Western democracy grew and cultivated another enemy who would prove worse, as Hitler never had so many resources and so many people, nor did he offer any attractive ideas, or have a large number of supporters in the West as the Soviet Union

You need to read Hegel a little more intently, deeply

And yet — no weapons, no matter how powerful, can help the West until it overcomes its loss of willpower. In a state of psychological weakness, weapons become a burden for the capitulating side. To defend oneself, one must also be ready to die; there is little such readiness in a society raised in the cult of material well-being

willpower, psychological weakness, … there are also sense making aspects to reality

Western thinking has become conservative: the world situation should stay as it is at any cost; there should be no changes. This debilitating dream of a status quo is the symptom of a society which has come to the end of its development

I think I am getting you better now and yes, but, again going to biological metaphors, all functioning, living entities go through their own cycle

The next war (which does not have to be an atomic one and I do not believe it will) may well bury Western civilization forever

Yes, it may and it will just not be “Western civilization”

This means that the mistake must be at the root, at the very basis of human thinking in the past centuries. I refer to the prevailing Western view of the world which was first born during the Renaissance and found its political expression from the period of the Enlightenment. It became the basis for government and social science and could be defined as rationalistic humanism or humanistic autonomy: the proclaimed and enforced autonomy of man from any higher force above him. It could also be called anthropocentricity, with man seen as the center of everything that exists

The spirit of the Renaissance got its political expression from the period of the Enlightenment with its Sapere aude ethos, which in turn got its energyzing vigor from centuries of abusive political domination by the Catholic Church, ..

The turn introduced by the Renaissance evidently was inevitable historically. The Middle Ages had come to a natural end by exhaustion, becoming an intolerable despotic repression of man’s physical nature in favor of the spiritual one.

Yes, and that doesn’t mean that a “happy”, complaicent man will become enlightened

Then, however, we turned our backs upon the Spirit and embraced all that is material with excessive and unwarranted zeal. This new way of thinking, which had imposed on us its guidance, did not admit the existence of intrinsic evil in man nor did it see any higher task than the attainment of happiness on earth

It based modern Western civilization on the dangerous trend to worship man and his material needs. Everything beyond physical well-being and accumulation of material goods, all other human requirements and characteristics of a subtler and higher nature, were left outside the area of attention of state and social systems, as if human life did not have any superior sense

but that is our superior sense!

a total liberation occurred from the moral heritage of Christian centuries with their great reserves of mercy and sacrifice. State systems were — State systems were becoming increasingly and totally materialistic. The West ended up by truly enforcing human rights, sometimes even excessively, but man’s sense of responsibility to God and society grew dimmer and dimmer

in those times people didn’t have TV sets, soap operas, “celebrities”, ..

All the glorified technological achievements of Progress, including the conquest of outer space, do not redeem the 20th century’s moral poverty which no one could imagine even as late as in the 19th Century

the “conquest” of outer space? They just put man up there

So that Karl Marx was able to say that “communism is naturalized humanism.”

The communist regime in the East could stand and grow due to the enthusiastic support from an enormous number of Western intellectuals who felt a kinship and refused to see communism’s crimes. And when they no longer could do so, they tried to justify them. In our Eastern countries, communism has suffered a complete ideological defeat; it is zero and less than zero. But Western intellectuals still look at it with interest and with empathy, and this is precisely what makes it so immensely difficult for the West to withstand the East

Mr. Solzhenitsyn, make up your mind are you gonna play God or Pope? Either way, I think you should make your case as clear as you could and let Western intellectuals think for themselves

As long as we wake up every morning under a peaceful sun, we have to lead an everyday life. There is a disaster, however, which has already been under way for quite some time. I am referring to the calamity of a despiritualized and irreligious humanistic consciousness

As they put it in the Bronx, NYC/USA: “people is stupid because people is stupid”, so niggahs already figured out it doesn’t have to do with the East or the West or Enlightenment, all those “isms” or any of that

We are now experiencing the consequences of mistakes which had not been noticed at the beginning of the journey. On the way from the Renaissance to our days we have enriched our experience, but we have lost the concept of a Supreme Complete Entity which used to restrain our passions and our irresponsibility. We have placed too much hope in political and social reforms, only to find out that we were being deprived of our most precious possession: our spiritual life. In the East, it is destroyed by the dealings and machinations of the ruling party. In the West, commercial interests suffocate it

What is that “spiritual life” thing? Can you bottle it somehow and sell it by the pound?

Is it true that man is above everything? Is there no Superior Spirit above him? Is it right that man’s life and society’s activities have to be determined by material expansion in the first place? Is it permissible to promote such expansion to the detriment of our spiritual integrity?

Oh, wait! What was that spiritual thing again, it is “life” or “integrity”, you want to bottle?

This ascension will be similar to climbing onto the next anthropologic stage. No one on earth has any other way left but — upward

upward, where?

~

// __ National Review: My Harvard Speech in Retrospect

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2018/06/25/aleksandr-solzhenitsyn-harvard-commencement-speech-reflections/

For many years in the USSR, and for four years now in the West, I had kept slashing and hacking away at Communism, but in these last years I had also seen in the West much that was alarmingly dangerous, and here I preferred to talk about that

Knowing the West very well, she was extremely worried and upset, and tried to persuade me to soften my ideas and words. I refused. After the speech had been translated and printed out, in tears she told Alya [Solzhenitsyn’s wife]: “He will not be forgiven for this!”

Irina Ilovaiskaya read the letters and made summaries, while I myself read many of the articles. And I must say I was quite taken aback by the connection (or rather the lack thereof) between the criticism and the actual content of my speech

I had given my speech the title “A World Split Apart,” and it was with this idea that I had opened the speech, that mankind is separated into original and distinct worlds, distinct independent cultures that are often far removed from one another and frequently unfamiliar with one another (I had then listed some of them). One has to renounce the arrogant blindness of evaluating these different worlds merely within the context of their development toward the Western model. Such a benchmark is the result of a misunderstanding of the essence of those different worlds. Also, one has to stand back and look soberly at one’s own system

Western society in principle is based on a legal level that is far lower than the true moral yardstick, and besides, this legal way of thinking has a tendency to ossify

In principle, moral imperatives are not adhered to in politics, and often not in public life either. The notion of freedom has been diverted to unbridled passion, in other words, in the direction of the forces of evil (so that nobody’s “freedom” would be limited!)

… the press, not elected by anyone

acts high-handedly and has amassed more power than the legislative, executive, or judicial power. And in this free press itself, it is not true freedom of opinion that dominates, but the dictates of the political fashion of the moment, which lead to a surprising uniformity of opinion. (It was on this point that I had irritated them most.)

The whole social system does not contribute to advancing outstanding individuals to the highest echelons

but who is to say who are outstanding individuals?

The reigning ideology, that prosperity and the accumulation of material riches are to be valued above all else, is leading to a weakening of character in the West, and also to a massive decline in courage and the will to defend itself, as was clearly seen in the Vietnam War

not to mention a perplexity in the face of terror

the roots of this social condition spring from the Enlightenment, from rationalist humanism, from the notion that man is the center of all that exists, and that there is no Higher Power above him

What that meant during or as part of the Enlightenment was a totally different thing than the corruption of the core idea dressed with the same terminology

“No one on earth has any other way left but — upward,” were the concluding words of my speech

upward towards what?

only in the background, as an aside, did I mention that “the next war … may well bury Western civilization forever.”

Actually silly me is almost 100% convinced we are doomed. We have been playing for too long with toys too dangerous to be trusted to man, even if no war is started just having those kinds of toys around is statistically speaking bound to happen. In fact, I think we are living under borrowed time. If you think of it in a purely Anthropological and statistical sense, it makes total sense that we will take care of our ourselves and with it pretty much all multicelular living organisms. The only kind of biological life I think might survive such a party at least temporarily are those crab-live animals living under excruhiating pressure and high temperatures in the hidrothermal vents of the mind Atlantic ridge

What surprised me was not that the newspapers attacked me from every angle (after all, I had taken a sharp cut at the press), but the fact that they had completely missed everything important (a remarkable skill of the media). They had invented things that simply did not exist in my speech, and had kept striking out at me on positions they expected me to hold, but which I had not taken ..

and you had said that in the communist block a journalist (or -prestitude- as they are called in the U.S. nowadays) is a soldier of the party. Change “the communist party” for “corporations” and you will hardly see any difference that matters and the few differences you will notice may be actually quite amusing

And then they came to the “consequences”: “If you don’t like it here, why don’t you leave?” (This came up in several newspapers, and more than once.) “Why, if life in the United States is so deplorable and venal, should he have chosen to live here? … Mr. Solzhenitsyn, don’t let the doorknob hit you in the rear on the way out … As you don’t like anything else here, it’s not unkind of us to point out that you don’t have to stay here … Love it or leave it … Would somebody please send [him] an airline schedule for overseas flights, east-bound.” They were particularly irritated that, when I said “our country” in my speech, I was referring to the Soviet Union and not to America. “If there is one thing I cannot abide, it is the guest who … lectures you on your faults. After getting out of Russia one step ahead of the KGB, Solzhenitsyn turns around and condemns us, his hosts, as having too much freedom” — (I admit that’s quite ironic) — while enjoyably “living in peace and freedom . .

It was America who saved his homeland from Hitler’s horde.” (Though one might argue about who saved whom.)

That one is one of the most amazing delusive b#llsh!t you hear from gringos. I first learned the version from Europe and then the propagandistic rationalization you hear in the U.S.

It turns out that democracy expects to be flattered. When I called out “Live not by lies!” in the Soviet Union, that was fair enough, but when I called out “Live not by lies!” in the United States, I was told to go take a hike

that would be viscerally “unAmerican” Mr. Solzhenitsyn, how could your sharp mind not have helped you see that?

I was furthermore reproached, and in no uncertain terms, that I was criticizing the same Western press that had saved me in my battles in the Soviet Union. That did seem like ungratefulness on my part

your sharp doesn’t seem to have helped you discern very basic cultural aspects of gringos when it comes to their culture:

  1. they see everything as business
  2. as they themselves repeatedly say as part of the tenets of their foreign policy: “we have no friends. we only have interests”
  3. they were using you as their circus monkey for as long and as well as they could

// __ Reagan tells Soviet jokes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN3z3eSVG7A

Ironically many of those jokes don’t sound that “unAmerican” anymore

… Carter, who spoke of the American way of life in almost evangelical terms

as it should be

Solzhenitsyn was full of criticism

how does he dare? What an irrational, “pro Russia”, “unAmerican” an act that is?!?

“He does not grasp the American spirit … We are irresponsible, he tells us. We put our freedom first, before our responsibility” precisely “because we are a free people.” precisely, ..

You see, Mr. Solzhenitsyn, I hope at least your intuitions will help you grasp that you are axiomatically wrong. If I had been you, I would have framed my point in a different way, namely: how come what you understand as “freedom” means -b#llsh!t- for everyone else?

I am amazed to notice that Teddy Roosevelt is considered to be an all around nice and responsible fellow in the U.S. while he was enforcing the Monroe Doctrine in Latin America.

The major newspapers did not print the actual speech, despite there being no copyright restrictions, but only passages convenient for their censure. “He arrived complete with preconceptions about American decadence and cowardice … Has no particular use for freedom, and little for democracy … Does not comprehend that there is strength, great strength, in our weakness, [even in] naïveness and non-monolithic government, [which] may be incomprehensible to a traditional Russian.”

You “traditional Russian” even with a “traditional Russian” sharp mind can’t get to our superior morality, spirituality and intelect. We understand, it is too hard for you, but at least you have tried, which gets enough of our respect

And through many articles there echoed: He is too Russian, he is incorrigibly Russian, his experience is limited to things Russian, he does not understand. “A voice from Russia’s past … a nineteenth-century Slavophile … He despises our press …

Maybe the Nazis were right after all. You Slavs would just be good as slaves. Having to exterminate you would even be a waste of resources

The unspoken expectation was that after three years in our midst, he would have to say we are superior

You see that kind of Trump-like plain honesty, rare in the U.S. I have learned to appreciate

[Could he] at least have given one cheer for the extension of freedom to a whole society? … Didn’t we publish his books? Wouldn’t that be reason enough for gratitude? …

Remember it is all about business and “gratitude”, paying homage to the status quo is part of its currency as well

Most Americans will cringe at the thesis … that ‘people have the right not to know'” ..

Actually, you may not consider me to be “American” and have not a clue as to what the eff could you mean by that

… (I had spoken about “the forfeited right of people not to know, not to have their divine souls stuffed with gossip, nonsense, vain talk” — A.S.) — or that “commercial interest tends to ‘suffocate’ spiritual life …

I think I got you this time around, but I think you are making your point in a very wrong and hopeless way. I would say people are being hoodwinked by all that nonsense

… [The speech only] indicates the weakness of Harvard’s ability to get an honest American [to address the graduates]. Thank God for being an American.”

“Americans” are always right anyway per definition about their “Americannesss”, aren’t they?

Harrison Salisbury, who had initially defended me on television, saying that a rural philosopher was perfectly capable of seeing the big picture from his retreat, now also expressed surprise: “Can Solzhenitsyn, in a sense, be the opposition government for the Soviet Union and also the United States? That’s an enormous burden to be put on anyone’s shoulders.”

You can either root the Yankees or the Mets in NYC, but if you start questioning baseball per se, then you spoil the game for everyone else

… He attacked the media for self-assurance, hypocrisy and deceit and they will never forgive him for it ..

How does he dare!?!

“What he said was unadulterated truth and the truth can hurt at times … There is no greater gift an exiled stranger could bring us … We should thank him for being man enough to stand before our young people and point to a better way, a way of law that honors right … We had better heed the wisdom of Solzhenitsyn … Reconsider the Harvard address — not primarily as an attack, but as a plea to the entire human family.”

indeed!/p>

Wanda Urbanska, who had heard my speech, also managed to get her opinion into a newspaper: The address “ruffled many assumptions about ourselves and the world that Harvard has so carefully groomed.”

thank you, Urbanska. BTW, and since you know about “Harvard”, isn’t what you consider to be “grooming” at Harvard the same thing you call -brainwashing- when “freedom hating” people do it?

“We know in our hearts he is right … We are worse than he says we are if we do not face up to our faults and try to do something to correct them … Solzhenitsyn is right, too awfully right … Brilliant and courageous Harvard speech cut like a two-edged sword right through America’s flab … The American people will sustain Solzhenitsyn on this count … The Washington Post may smile at the Russian accent of Mr. Solzhenitsyn’s words, but it cannot detract from their universal meaning … Let us be grateful before it’s too late … His speech ought to be burned into America’s heart. But instead of being read, it was killed … Can the press maintain diversity when ultimate control rests in the hands of a small group of corporate executives?”

Rethorical question, indeed

And how was I to conduct such a battle, calling for a fight to the death against Communism, yet without in any way targeting Russia? And this in a situation where wily polemicists of the Third Emigration [the wave of émigrés allowed to leave in the 1970s — NR] were not only clouding the realities of Russia with their lies, but, in an unexpected turn, were spreading the credo that the true Russia, as opposed to the Soviet Union, is a far greater danger to the West than the current benign Communist regime, which must be supported, though kept in check by maintaining adroit negotiations

At the end of the day “Communism” and “‘the true’ Russia” were a far lesser danger to humanity than “Capitalism” has been

The Harvard speech unleashed echoes that kept resounding far longer than I could have foreseen

It is called “freedom of the press”, but well Mr. Solzhenitsyn, how could you understand that if you don’t even understand “freedom”?
~
RCL

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by lbrtchx » 28 Nov 2012 23:19

Lucy24 wrote:

the
verb “to be” (as understood in English) is split in two totally
different verbs one of them referring to spacial and timely aspects and
the other to essential ones

Maybe something like: If it can be expressed with a different English verb– …

Not really. In such morphologically richer languages those two verbs are totally different beasts. Period!
The thing is that (and here we are coming back full cycle to the point
you initially raised) English speakers would rationalize things this way
in the same way that, say, people who speak phonetic languages wonder
what the heck spelling bee contests are all about and say that “English
is not spoken as it is written”, but English speaking people find fun in
them. (Well, it is not that funny that, as cognitive
scientists/psychologists have long noticed, people who don’t speak
phonetic languages are way more likely to suffer from forms of verbal
dyslexia and can’t (easily, if at all,) recover their verbal faculties
after a stroke … (however, bilingual people who speak a phonetic lang
do recover even their not phonetic one(s)))

Lucy24 wrote:In one of Terry Pratchett’s early books– Equal Rites …

Thank you. Suggested book has been included in my TOREAD list

Lucy24 wrote:Look
at any two cultures and you will see similarities and differences. It
isn’t really Western Europe on one side, the rest of the known universe
on the other. It just seems that way.

English and {culture A}
happen to have one thing in common. When you talk to someone, it is
assumed that you are telling the truth. That is: You might choose to
lie. But factual truth is the default position.

Much of {culture B} operates under a different system. The default communication is not based on truth or untruth. It’s what the other person wants to hear.

~

I think I talked about this in my shorter poem, but since many
people here in the states (apparently naively) ask you “what do you
mean?”, logic and poetry build on prose and I love you guys, I will try
my prose.

~

All cultures (and with “cultures” I think you mean -societies- (the
difference being that cultures are (somehow syntactically) encoded
societies aren’t)) have their things, yet, as they say in German “Alle
Kochen mit Wasser” (“we all cook with water” (notice that it doesn’t
mean that food is made from the same ingredients, tastes the same, is
equally nutritious, … everywhere)).

~

Cuban people, almost literally, say in their songs “those who don’t
like music and dancing should eat sh!t and die” (“el son es lo más
sublime … se debería de morir” … suavecito), but they don’t actually
go ahead and start killing people for that reason and Brazilian people
think they are da sh!t, when it comes to playing soccer with their “jogo
bello” (beautiful way to play soccer), but they didn’t assassinate the
Uruguayan team or invade Uruguay when they had their Maracanazo, even
though it was so shocking to them that there was no formal presentation
ceremony for the Uruguayan victory. The Brazilian Football Confederation
had made 22 gold medals with the names of their own players imprinted
on them (at that time, FIFA did not present medals to the winning team)
which eventually had to be disposed of. A Brazilian victory song
entitled “Brasil os vencedores” (“Brazil The Victors”), was composed
several days prior to the final and was to be played in anticipation of a
Brazilian win. The song, of course, was never performed. In Brazil many
newspapers refused to accept the fact that they had been defeated,
famous radio journalists retired, and some fans even went so far as to
commit suicide (from wikipedia where still, after so many years, you
don’t find much about that incident in Portuguese ;-)).

~

I would say that the intersubjectivity of communication naturally
and unavoidably entails both; what parties understand (and/or believe)
to be “factual truth” and “what (you believe) the other person wants to
(and/or should) hear”. People, who, for whichever reason, have had to
relate their existence in core/compromising/messy ways (not as a tourist
in Europe desperate to find a cappuccino and knowing that moneyed
“daddy/mom” will safely pull you out of “situations”) to more than one
reference, can very clearly see that, as it is written some[where/how]
(I think in Biblical/religious texts), “you are not a prophet in your
land” (because you would be preaching to the choir of your own believe
system).

~

I find amazing the gringo transcendentally b#llsh!ting star-wars
mindset that underlies the bombing of people who can’t defend themselves
on an equal basis; not only as if they were doing them a favor, while
they “save ‘the free world'”, “do the ‘greater good'”, … but as if
there were some Godly design supporting them, but I guess that is what
happens to you when “you hear God telling you things”. I once thoroughly
explained to a girlfriend (who liked to read the NY Times on a daily
basis (and to me that was somewhat masochistic, which made me feel weird
about being with her)) how all those NYTimy newspapers lie as a
comparative anthropology of how the Grandma newspaper would just publish
8 pages of blatant, on-your-face lies as prominently stated: “Órgano
Oficial del Comité Central del Partido Comunista de Cuba”, like someone
telling you “the sky is red” on day light and you are very clearly
seeing it actually is blue (most of the time and by its very
definition); yet, is the NY Times really about “all the news that is fit
to print”? I would have never ever suspected “free” people would be so
easily gullible and systematically lie to themselves to the point of
-very naturally- and -truly- believing their own lies, as if they very
much were facts, as, say, “rain is water falling from the sky”. One of
the articles we were discussing was about congress reps in Australia
heckling Pres. Bush’s speech. They said that “most people went to work
as usual”. Now the thing is that this is not the dimension under which
that incident should be analyzed, because “people EVERYWHERE go to work
as usual”, but Australian political representatives had (most probably)
NEVER heckled the speech of a representative of state, as they did to
Pres. Bush’s. She later told me that the “political language (and
language in general) offer the same venues to lie …” and that
“besides, she was getting tired of recycling so much ‘paper'” ;-)
and stopped reading the NYTimes (which I then regretted because once in
a long while she would point out to me good/well-researched articles,
even though I had said to her that it doesn’t make sense wasting so much
time and burning neurones hopefully seeking just a few good articles)

~

It has been one of the most amazing things I’ve learned about the
U.S.: how far lies can go and how easy it is to manipulate people
(and/or just downright lying to them). Lies in the states are not just a
tool but an industry (some sort of social agriculture). I grew up in a
country, Cuba (a small and very poor country), under a long,
“tried-and-true” dictatorship, where the government actually and very
much literally -owns- the media, jobs, your movement, … in open and
very explicit ways, so I know 1st hand what a lie smells like. The whole
country is run almost prison style in open day light. You can’t even
begin to imagine what is like living like this; and, no, you don’t go
mad, any kind of people would get used to anything (including that you
can’t live without “that latest, greatest thing” (ad later “its yet
latest, greatest version” ;-)))
and some things are just very different (for cultural reasons (like you
won’t see police and people being arrested cracking jokes to each other
in the states)) and everything is not that bad: I find shocking that
the incarceration rate in Cuba is less than in the U.S., life expectancy
and suicide rate are lower and/or equal, general health equal or better
(mostly based on prevention and natural living (people actually walk,
children freely play in the streets (instead of sitting their childhood
in front of TV-sets and ferally playing computer games), swim in the
open ocean, climb trees, eat raw/healthier/unprocessed food if they have
it, so they are not fat and lazy, teenagers don’t start a generational
jihad against their parents …  (I was shocked the other day when I
noticed (after I was happy to hear my nephew say he had a friend that
had hit hundreds of home runs) that what he had actually meant was
-using a computer game-!!!))).

~

The basic idea supporting politicians (dressed as a “representative
democracy” or whichever way you want (why can’t people directly vote
for the social issues directly affecting their life?)) about a bunch of
idiots norming and controlling your idiocy, just because “they are more
equal(/idiotic?) than the rest of us” is some preposterous b#llsh!t to
me and everything within their own logic doesn’t make plain sense
 (provided they (politicians) themselves believe what they preach),
for example: people (used to?) get a decent education -truly-
accessible to everyone, but then, for better or worse, the dictatorial
government in Cuba doesn’t seem to understand that you can’t teach
people how to read and write and then expect for them to read, write and
think what you want and do their day-to-day repression in open,
explicit and documented ways (they even summoned those “heretics who
can’t understand” to discuss with them their repression plan and
articulate their b#llsh!ting rationale in crazy ways, but still they do
articulate it!) … It is as if the U.S. government would, say, instead
of just saying that “they are fighting terrorism”, explicitly state: “we
are fighting terrorism that doesn’t suit or purpose/is not
‘God-blessed'”, or  “We have imposed an embargo on Cuba/Cuban
people for more than half a century (not really because Castro is some
Communist dude (why then do they bow (so profusely!) to communist
dictators in China?)), but because he is not a graduate from ‘The School
of the Americas’/a dictator we support (as Pres. Roosevelt would say
‘not our dog’)”, or “we abuse countries who can’t defend themselves on
an equal basis to get their resources, because if we wouldn’t you won’t
be able to have 4 smart phones, buy Jimmy 10 skateboards and Annie could
only have a cheap and dark-skinned cloth doll instead of a
battery-powered NRA barbie that ‘says’ ‘hello?'”.

~

The U.S. government has quietly turned “the land of the free” into a
police state in ways that make George Orwell’s 1984 read like children
stories, but they don’t do it in the open because they may be a little
embarrassed about having to pay the CDR franchise to Castro and Chávez
and because “in America there are civil liberties protecting people’s
rights” ;-)
(and they seem to truly believe what they themselves say). Politicians
in the U.S. use sound bites that could mean anything or could as well
mean nothing at all. That is why the U.S. government has gone crazy
about Wikileaks (they are doing them the favor to articulate their
lies), which I don’t quite get, to me it is like making the use of free
software illegal thinking that capitalism would cease to exist (“we ‘the
people'” will still be silly enough to keep using Windows anyway …).
It would, to some extent, be like an artist saying to you his art is the
greatest sh!t ever smelled, but he would not show it to you (WTF?).

~

People who do sciences and engineering have a way out of madness
because there is a physical reality they most ultimately test their
ruminations to, so they would never take the word for it, but
politicians and those primarily working with language and
fencing/minding other peoples’ minds must be truthful and open about
their b#llsh!t as their only way out of madness. This among other things
is why wikileaks is so important to our (global (across our
jurisdictional borders)) society. To me what (prominently) Julian
Assange has done (and many other before and followers) in very important
ways resemble what Martin Luther did when he posted his ninety-five
theses on the door of the Castle Church of Wittenberg (the Internet
thing of that time) questioning the abusive b#llsh!ting practices of the
Catholic Church in those times, yet as a courtesy of the British
government Julian Assange remains effectively imprisoned in the
Ecuadorian Embassy in London

~

youtube.com/watch?v=3YQyaG1AxrU

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youtube.com/watch?v=d7oOMEeaGFc

~

Now, wasn’t it the British government who protected Pinochet who
did actually have his hands -very much- stained with blood? Margaret
Thatcher even personally went to the airport to bid him farewell and
give him personal gifts.

~

As part of the U.S.-gov-sponsored Operation Condor period in Latin America:

~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Condor

~

during the Pinochet regime people would be packed in a boat given a
ride into the ocean and never heard of again (because “homosexuality is
not Christian”), dogs were train to f#ck women as part of torture
sessions, pregnant mothers in the dungeons would be allowed to give
birth and then assassinated; and the babies?; well, they were given to
“free-of-communism” certified, “Christian” (and lazy) couples …
Pinochet’s insatiable assassin crews would even go after people living
in foreign countries (including the U.S.) and all of this is very well
known to Chilean/Latin American people (and, of course, to the U.S. and
British governments), but hey! “so help me God” as Kissinger said with
his palm on the Bible and “with ‘God’ on his side”. There is also this
guy (one of their “School of the Americas” graduates) who is sought
after in various Latin American countries for (apparently overworking
his U.S. gov jobs) charges that range from brutally kicking a pregnant
woman to bombing a civil airplane full of Cuban teenagers in midair, the
U.S. government refuses to extradite (because, as they say (and, as
crazy as it may sound, I am not kidding you!) “he won’t get a fair
trial”:

~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubana_de_Aviación_Flight_455

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Posada_Carriles

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Now, this guy’s rap sheet (about which he even boasts (and the U.S. gov tells him to “Please, keep a low profile!” ;-))),
even if he was under contract and protected by the CIA was detained and
put in prison for a score of other criminal deeds (including in the
U.S.) by the Justice Department, but the very U.S. president (Bush
senior) “pardoned” him out of prison!!! I very well know of a case of a
messy teenager in Jacksonville FL (one of the the sons of my (ex-)wife’s
family friends) who played the very wrong prank to his former
girlfriend (who suffered from chronic asthma attacks) of getting into
her apartment in the middle of the night. She sorrily died of an asthma
attack/the startle. This bad kid was put in death row even if he was a
teen and he did not directly kill his girlfriend and repeated attempts
at switching is sentence to life in prison haven’t been successful, but
Luis Posada Carriles (one of “our heroes/freedom fighters” as they are
called in the U.S.) goes free and is under protection. Amazing the kinds
of guys the U.S. and British governments chose to protect or persecute!
And no wonder people in Latin America keep democratically voting
left-leaning governments into office in order to steer clear of the
gringo b#llsh!t Washington agenda (how many times are Venezuelans gonna
vote Chavistas into office? nd th In Nicaragua (Neo?)Sandinistas (after
the U.S. government killed Sandino point blank after inviting him to a
diplomatic meeting) after wining a war against “our-dog” Somoza and
after so much “freedom fighting”, stepped down to conciliate/ease a
democratic process and after Nicaraguans got a good taste of gringo
b#llsh!t they voted Sandinistas back into government. The U.S. has even
lost former countries such as El Salvador to democratically elected
left-leaning governments, and Chileans and Brazilians have voted (as if
voting left-leaning was not enough) for people who were themselves (or
their families) actual torture victims of U.S.-backed repressive
governments in those times). Even right-leaning people in Latin America
are anti-USA and most social justice activists in Cuba (who don’t like
Castro/communism at all (some of which are being paid salaries and
bonuses by the U.S. governments)) find unbelievable that people in the
U.S. don’t know at all about the excesses and abuses of their own
government; about their own talibanism, “how could that possibly be?,
isn’t the press here in the states ‘free’?”. They are amazed about those
“freedom of choice” cr@p, “Ok, but what/who determines the ‘choices’?”
and “what happens to those who don’t agree with ‘the choices’?” (they
ask) … I find myself explainnig to them that manipulating people into
believing whatever isn’t hard at all. All you need to do is keep them
busy worrying about the last time some member of the royal family or
some celebrity farted and you make sure they don’t hear the end of it.
On the other shore, people who think for themselves in the U.S.
sometimes ask you, but how do they (the Cuban gov) lie to the whole
population and keep them quiet so easily? and I tell them that it is not
that hard to do and yes, people know they are being lied to, but don’t
see a better option and get somehow habituated. They do it in the states
not only with your bulbs (and “your bulbs”),

~

// __ Documental Comprar, tirar, comprar. – Consumismo y
manipulación – COMPLETO (there should be a version with English
subtitles)

~

youtube.com/watch?v=mUaCLzbDgm0

~

but also with everything, including people’s lives and health.

~

At the end of the cold war as part of the soviets saying good bye
to their own nonsense (admirably!) Russians said good bye to Castro who
even begged them to keep the Lourdes spy station. They said “niet!” and
left. Most Cuban (against and pro regime/USA) wonder why the f#ck are
gringos occupying Guantánamo? Gringos say that “they leased the land to
the Cuban government under some “legal” contract …” (and as usual they
say that with a straight face) and in the typical gringo way, they
don’t mention that there was actually no “Cuban government” in that
time, but some imposed military attache’ serving as “Cuban governor”.
Why is it that the soviets did leave Cuba, but gringos “can’t”? Because
God it telling them things?

~

Communication is complex also, what someone may see as some
“self-evident truth” on one plane of understanding may be taken as some
very questionable b#llsh!t to some other people. Egyptian people (pro
and against him) found odd as hell and very offensive on a number of
counts that the U.S. gov suddenly discovered Hosni Mubarak was a
ruthless dictator (after sustaining him in power and using him for three
decades) and true and nice human rights activist turned Tunisian
President, Moncef Marzouki, found downright offensive meeting U.S. gov
representatives involved in human rights abuses at the Guantánamo
detention center: “You cannot take seriously somebody who was implicated
in torture in his own country. And then this guy is going to give you
some lesson about how to promote human rights in Tunisia. This is why I
did not accept to meet him”:

~

youtube.com/watch?v=716vEbPPZgk

~

It would be like listening a speech about “liberté, égalité,
fraternité” from a child molester, but when people here in the states
watch that incident about “the Tank man” in Beijing they see him as
“defending what America stands for”. As Christians believe Jesus to be
the representative of God on earth, gringos -really and truly- believe
that they are the beacon of “righteousness”, “freedom”, “justice”, …
in the universe. Someone wrote a heartfelt (“nothing gripped my heart
quite like the story of the ‘untouchables’ in the caste system”, she
says), 1st-hand personal account about such abuses:

~

http://erikaearl.wordpress.com/2010/06/ … touchable/

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalit

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(the oppressed in the caste system in India/Asia), which (only
superficially) may be incomprehensible to us “Westerners”. She says:

~

“40 million people in India, mostly Dalits, are bonded workers,
many struggling to pay off debts that were incurred generations ago. Of
these, 15 million are children working in slave-like conditions hauling
rocks or working in fields and factories for less than $1 a day”.

~

When I have worked as a GED teacher I tell my students that they
should “take their minds for a walk”. They, high school drop outs and
mostly coming out of the prison system, have as their only themes to
write essays: 1) I hate the NYPD and 2) slavery. I try to make them
realize that there definitely is more to think about in life than their
parole officers and case workers (so we write in classes essays about
“monkeys in the Antarctic” ;-)).
Once I was explaining to them that when you write an essay you most
give some balanced context to the topic’s supporting evidence, you can’t
just say and paraphrase “I hate the NYPD, because …”. We were talking
about slavery and I had to tell them to be more critical of themselves
and a little more respectful/conscious of history; that, if slaves in
those times would see the conditions and options we black people have
now, they would probably consider us to be whining wimps. I’d then asked
them: what would you consider to be people who work pretty much all
days of the week for more than 10 hours, without any vacation, health
plan or any safety of any kind regarding their jobs, who would not get
paid their meager salaries for weeks (if their employers don’t get smart
about calling the police to haul them away in order not to pay them
after making them work for weeks (and, no, nothing happens to those
employers even if they are directly implicated in the drowning of
Haitian boat people)), who pay billions of dollars in taxes they can’t
technically benefit from at all, who have no legal rights whatsoever,
… their abrupt and loud answer is: “Well, that’s slavery!” then I
asked them; what about  12 million people (using conservative
estimates) in the U.S., who would pretty much comprise some 20% of the
labor force (at 65 million total) work under such conditions? (they
stared at me waiting to see what would come next) … what about all
those Mexican and Central/South American “undocumented” workers? They
broke in laughters and basically told me: “but Mr. Lopez, they don’t
count …” and I said to them: well, this is exactly how “white” people
thought of us in those times. They all stopped laughing at once. “There
is nothing intrinsically ‘white’ about abusing/exploiting/discriminating
upon other people, so even when you write about slavery you must
contextualize such abuses under their socio-economic perspective … “.
Then a few of them told me “but this is not the same, ‘we’ were forcibly
brought from Africa to the Americas” and I would remind them that in
those times slaveholders would “justify” their wrong doings by saying
that ” … we were ‘sold’ in Africa after losing a war with another
tribe …”, or as the Catholic Church and early Europeans settlers in
North-America (as part of their so-called “Manifest Destiny”) would say
“native American people had no right to the land they lived in because
they had no land titles”, or they would separate slave babies from their
parents because “they were property of the slaveholders, that slaves
didn’t have birth/parental certificates” … and to them that made lots
of sense. Then, in order to ease things a bit, I switch gears and start
talking about the etymology of the word “kidnapping” (in its historic
context) and about then genetics and its socio-political and moral (and
spiritual) relevance. Haven’t you seen people from another races and
ethnic groups whom you would consider to be “your niggers”? (we,
“niggers”, say “my nigger” in an endearing way meaning “our loved
ones”/”people we most care about” (and/or simply meaning “dude”) in the
same sense that in Latin America some people would call “negr[o|a]”
people who aren’t). For example, Julian Assange and Bradley Manning are
my kinds of niggers! … As amazing as you may find it, shaking a bit
your students minds may be the reason why you may receive a “with
regrets …” termination email, without any kind of explanation as to
why they let you go, even though your students expected for you to come
back the next cycle and your manager was amazed at the low attrition
rate with “such students” and you teach classes of almost 50 students
(for lack of more seats) who joyfully come to classes as if they were
coming to some spectator’s sport” show and take extra class work to
share it with their buddies in the hood ;-)

~

Erika’s account is certainly shocking. She says that 40 million of
India’s 1,210 million people work under slave-like conditions for less
than $1 a day, but she seems to have some sort of conceptual/moral
farsightedness/presbyopia when it comes to the Dalit of the United
States and “our” sins (which apparently people sharing her comments are
also blind to). In fact a little bit of Arithmetic would show to her
that, comparatively speaking, there are more Dalit in the U.S. than in
India, who may (again, comparatively speaking) be working for less $1,
but in the typical “American way” this problem doesn’t exist, because:
we are “good Christians”, those are not “my problems”, I don’t hear the
media talking about Dalit celebrities … In fact, if you read up on
those abuses in India you will notice things are improving steadily. As
Mexican workers have explained to me, Canada has a program for
controlled immigration of seasonal workers, but the U.S. choses (to try)
to solve everything with just an adjective: “illegal”, that would, at
the same time, give them the moral superiority they apparently enjoy so
much.

~

Let use an example someone considered to be a good fellow by the
general public (let not even try to make sense out of such crazy @ss
idiots as Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and Sarah Palin (that lady was so
out of whack that even the comedians running a prank on her wondered if
she was reversing the prank on them (that was so crazy on so many
counts!))

~

youtube.com/watch?v=mPFw2qpudjc

~

Even though Pres. Obama (to me) is not some nigger “like you and
me” (he himself said he little by little “realized” what was like having
a “black @ss”) and I don’t consider him to be that smart even though he
sat his black @ss in law school for more than a decade (which to some
people is a sign of his being smart and to me is a very clear sign that
there definitely is something very wrong with him (what do people do in
“law schools”?)), I was one of the hopeful idiots that got wet eyes when
he was elected his 1st term. However, I did notice very early how he
would not actually say/articulate anything concretely, to the point that
I found it worryingly odd (as if he was somehow mentally handicapped (I
mean, regardless of people agreeing with you or not, you should be able
to clearly make your point)) and funny. Now anyone, especially under
pressure, can make a mistake (let’s digest, he “probably” meant “47”
states):

~

youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

~

but what I find funny and peculiar about him is that when he
noticed people could not contain their laughters (so he must have
figured they laughed about something he had said) he started to talk
about his staff) as Bill Maher said commenting on his debates with
Romney: “Obama looks like he does need a teleprompter”. People I respect
even told me that he talks like this “because he must smart out the
media” that if he says anything that could be falsified somehow they
would entangle him in even more sh!t and some would even give me sh!t
trying to tell me stories about him being the “least bad looking of the
undressed emperors”. Yet, he (to me) showed his colors/dressing when he
once said about the firing of rockets from occupied territories in
Palestine to Israel:

~

“If my daughters are playing in my backyard and someone fires a rocket …”

~

OK, he is a politician, so he is not really expected to make sense,
but notice how he could (but choses not to (and I can’t digest that he
is that uninformed, insensitive and stupid)) more fully and
matter-of-factly include in his line:

~

“If I invade, occupy and steal your land because ‘God’ (as my
amicable and very beneficial landlord) granted it to me as my
Lebensraum, make your people live in a Warsaw ghetto style under some
new-age apartheid for generations and kill them at will; would attack a
civilian ship in international waters and kill their passengers for
trying to reach my prison; would routinely make IDF bulldozers flatten
your houses; run over Rachel Corrie (to whom, by the way, I dedicated
that poem) and consider it to be her fault even staging some judicial
farce; let Israeli citizens do such things as fatally shooting a
Palestinian school girl, Intissar al-Atar, from the nearby Jewish
settlements in occupied lands for no apparent reason whatsoever/just for
the fun of it and free that guy, Shimon Yifrah, because “the offense is
not severe enough” to warrant detention and as the Jewish judge said
“Yifrah only intended to shock the girl”; … ; … ; … and then you
fire rockets while my daughters are playing in the backyard …”

~

chomsky.info/articles/20121104.htm

~

I am not saying firing rockets at Israeli citizens is right, but
“the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth” should prevail if
you want to actually solve a problem/find a way out of madness. Why
would no one morally accept as deterrent to Nazi crimes that Jews were
the labor force in the concentration camps and the police in the Warsaw
ghetto or consider “terrorists” those participants in the Warsaw ghetto
uprising or bombing British establishments in Palestine, but then keep
talking about Hammas?

~

Some people may object (as naively and/or b#llsh!ting as it may
seem) that Pres. Obama/the U.S. government can’t really influence
politics in the middle East. Pres. Obama (our current commander in chief
of the armed forces) also said to people questioning the imprisonment
of Bradley Manning that theirs were “philosophical views”, even though
the U.S. government more than doubled the genocidal rate of Nazis during
WWII (do the Math: divide the number of people who have died by the
percentage of their troops in both cases (the U.S. gov is not even
fighting true wars against armies who could defend themselves on an
equal basis!)):

~

bradleymanning.org/news/releases/transcript-of-president-obamas-declaration-of-pfc-bradley-mannings-guilt

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“philosophical views”? “laws” to cover up and support genocide and war crimes? Really, Mr. Lawyer President?

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I could give you many more examples, but I think you will be able to get the idea

~

lbrtchx

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