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photosymbiosis ↪ Ricardo Camilo López: Aug. 22 2016, 8:23 p.m.

All that Manchurian candidate stuff is science fiction. As I note below, the whole “Communist brainwashing” line was a CIA propaganda effort from the 1950

“Manchurian candidate stuff”? … “CIA propaganda efforts”? … “photo symbiosis”?

Luria studied the mind of mnemonists. It is all too obvious how other types of “minds” react and strategize around their ways.

Myron May’s ex-fiancee was frightened of him and deeply worried when he’d show up at her apartment …

I remember I heard once Chomsky say that (the adjective) “real” was a “honorary attribute”. I have no idea what he meant. Of course, there is actual reality out there. Even if you “don’t believe” in gravity it will make you fall, biological life needs nutrients … Chomsky is primarily a language kind of person, so he may mean that in a rhetorical kind of way in the same way that TheIntercept’s journos consider themselves to be “ethical” for protecting the immunity of people committing crimes against humanity, or as they would say, “defending the truth” but only to an extent, that even comedians demonstrably make a much better job at bringing about concrete changes (which to me is the only valid reason for people to talk about whatever).

Something, I have learned well is that there is no such thing as “reality” when it comes to social affairs based on language (the realm of politicians, lawyers, religious leaders, …) everybody checkpoints reality in their own ways (checkpointing as used in computer programming, debugging code (sorry, I wouldn’t know how to express that concept in any other way with my English)). My ex-wife used to say to me that you see, “read” into what “you know”. I think that is unavoidably true to some extent, but still we all should have something empathy and a sense of justice. For example, one of the most amazing things about gringos is that belief they about morality being a “club membership” thing.

I think Mona is perfectly capable of explaining her position. I don’t know what it is, but from the posts I’ve seen, it seems like she believes it’s a form of paranoia.

again, when she talks about that particular topic all she does is go into her ad hominem fits and her endless cycles of opinions backed by opinions. Yes, she is capable of explaining herself but she carefully (and skillfully she may believe) doesn’t.

See, for just one example, her opinion about Myron May. She is saying something that to a certain extent is true and some other part of it (his girlfriend’s opinion as expressed to and/or by police). I have my own opinion about May. I think he was being harassed by police/FBI/CIA …

When I said about lots of Monas out there who about a year ago all of a sudden started relating terms such as “targeted individuals” with “satanic sects” and such b#llsh!t, there is a simple way to falsify what I am saying.

Here is a good example of “Monadology” 😉

https://theintercept.com/2016/08/06/accusing-wikileaks-bias-beside-point/?comments=1#comment-265226

People like government contractors

If you mean the NSA stories should have included identification of NSA employees and contractors, why? In any event, Glenn Greenwlad has many times said that the documents include names and identities of people targeted by the NSA. These individuals should not be revealed, certainly not without their permission. And there could be hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of such names.

Notice how she:
a) refers to whatever Glenn says as if he were some kind of papal bul (or the very gospel?)
b) tries to dress equally the identities of victims with those of “innocent” government employees and contractors …
c) talks about “their permission” framing it in a legalistic way

I unsuccessfully tried to repeatedly call her b#llsh!t in that article with a simple question:

Have NSA employees, USG asked every citizen of the world for “permission” to indiscriminately monitor and surveille them 24×7?

which to me is the primary point to be considered when it comes to those individuals working for the NSA, but, of course, all Mona would do is resort to adjectives and ad hominem “you are crazy” cr@p.

I’ve always taught my children that 99.5% of the people we cross in our lives are just honest, hard-working people trying to make their lives and their family’s lives better.

Many people live their lives under circumstances which would not allow them to have such good-hearted expectations. Children in many countries fear playing outdoor because of drone attacks by “innocent” “freedom lovers” “ethically” protected by TheIntercept’s journos.

Also, I have seen many times in my life what happens to people when they realized their “good-hearted expectations” were just functional illusions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Galactus-36215 ↪ Galactus-36215: Aug. 22 2016, 10:46 p.m.

Just one disconnect I’d like to clarify. I was speaking about the US government and US justice system. Obviously in other countries, government behaviors of their police departments as far as political persecutions is quite real, frequent and obvious. (Ex. Iraq pre-invasion)

I, to me, totally new concept that I have learned about “‘the’ ‘free’ and ‘the’ brave …” is that in the U.S. lies are not just tools but industries. In fact, I even dedicated a poem to Rachel Corrie based on that gringo idea

https://hsymbolicus.wordpress.com/category/poems/ (lies …)

I can’t help making a point by fixing a bit your “clarification”. Yes, in those countries you mentioned political persecution is open, above board, but it doesn’t mean that in the U.S. it is “unreal” because they do it in covert, “responsible”, “ethical” ways, because “in the U.S. there are laws protecting civil liberties”. Now, any one with a sense of reality would laugh about such downright silly nonsense. It it like saying that soviets used to brainwash people, but in the U.S. people are not being brainwashed and manipulated 24×7 or that, “of course”, only “communist”, “freedom-hating” governments/people would spy and snitch on one another, but then when people in the U.S. and their allies confronted the truth about their own government “monitoring” every single individual 24×7 they simply shrugged it off with a little bit “it is only about metadata” help.

Gringos had been throughly brainwashed into the idea of unbounded individualism and privacy to the point of believing that not only to be “Christian”, “American”, but God itself to be some gringo. Yet, they didn’t react at all when they were dragged out of their denial by the partial revelations Snowden leaks. People all over the world were laughing about “‘the’ ‘free’ and ‘the’ brave …”. All of a sudden gringos had total and very convenient amnesia about having constantly made fun of those morally deprived, lesser idiots who would spy on each other …

It may relate to the fact that I don’t five a f#ck about “patriotism”, I even find amazing and downright hopelss how many of the people that frequent this hang out would buy into the idea of “ethically” protecting NSA agents!

In East Germany they even had public “(repression) Universities” where students would write their theses about Zersetzung, manufacturing and managing consent. In the U.S. they have it worst but they are not open about it because people’s rights are protected by the constitution. Now, could that downright silly, illusive b#llsh!t work? All you need to do is look at gringoland U.S.A. to answer your question.

In Cuba, an open police state, there are actual “protections” (and effective ones I many add) of the people against police abuse. Police in Cuba don’t give a sh!t about “constitutional rights” or being taped, in fact, they summoned you to the police stations to discuss with you face to face their repression plan (as crazy as it many sound to gringo mindset). They have even written it all in the “penal code” and would give you unredacted copies of their dealings. They thoroughly train police not to (fatally) abuse people (since a dictatorship if a form of flagrant abuse anyway):

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/21/raul-castro-demands-return-guantanamo-bay-obama-visit#comment-71034070

In this case, you may see more than someone who was very abusively beaten by police:

// __ Testimonio de Antonio Rodiles tras brutal golpiza y arresto del 5 de julio 2015 (with English subtitles)

youtube.com/watch?v=305XilibeFA
~
I’d have never thought repression in “‘the’ land of ‘the’ ‘free'” would be less open and less humane than in police state Cuba. They are getting there though in their own ways.

RCL

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